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Horizon Zero Dawn Review

Guerrilla Games' new open world action RPG has robots, archery, sci-fi, and more. But is it good?

Review by Caty McCarthy, .

I’ve galloped across miles and miles of terrain for a seemingly endless amount of time. Where the green grass my heroine had called home all her life had now withered away, and a dry desert now emerged. The sights of familiar trees had morphed into rare cactuses; robot horses into robot bulls. We were in a new territory now, which meant more bandit camps to liberate, more Tallnecks to climb, new settlements to visit, more strangers to send me on fetch quests and beg me to find their lost loved ones, and most importantly, more things for my character to hardly bat an eye at despite her greatly alienated upbringing, par for the course at this point. Horizon Zero Dawn pulls in every open world action RPG whim it can muster, and forgets the most important part of an RPG: justifying the existence of these many parts.

Horizon Zero Dawn takes place in a re-established post-apocalyptic society, where there’s a twist to remind you of its distance from our present day: robot beasts roaming about—subsisting relics of the future-past—and none of them are particularly friendly. While some may simply dash away should you come too close, others take your threatening presence personally, and opt for trying to kill you instead.

The game quickly tosses you into the shoes of the perpetually sarcastic, redhaired Aloy. We see her first as a blanketed baby, then a voracious kid, and later as a fully-realized young adult. Aloy is a feisty outcast raised by a surrogate dad of sorts, a man named Rost. Together they live away from civilization (civilization, in this case, is the local tribe, as Rost and Aloy remain “outcasts”). Rost teaches Aloy everything she knows, like how to hunt (with a bow, of course), how to be stealthy (just crouch in the omnipresent tall grass), how to survive in this brutal post-post-post-apocalyptic world.

The view from the tip-top of a Tallneck is often breathtaking. ...This is a bad example though (sorry).

Then Aloy (as a wee little kid) discovers a mysterious device reminiscent of what we know as a Bluetooth. Little does she know, the device (which she dubs her “Focus”) will usher her into a mixed reality hell forever. In the story sense, the Focus becomes Aloy’s leg up above not only robotic creatures, but the people she interacts with. In the gameplay sense, it gives her a slow-moving Detective Vision, where interactive objects emanate a purple glow and weak spots on enemies are highlighted in a neon yellow.

A Familiar, Boring Grind

The Focus becomes the source of all the game’s initial intrigue and drama. What is this device and where did it come from? Why is she the (seemingly) only one around with it? What is its significance? Of course, as Aloy embarks on her world-travelling quest, she seeks the answers to all these things. A few story twists later with her Focus, handy-dandy bow and arrows, and robot-overriding gear in tow (overriding is the ability to hack robots to be your buddies in arms and noble steeds), she gallops into the horizon to reach the ends of the nature-and-robot-overrun world, hungry for answers.

What Makes the Bow the Ideal Video Game Weapon?

In less than two weeks, a new archery-savvy heroine will be playable on our screens with Horizon Zero Dawn's Aloy. And it got us thinking, what are the best bows in video games?

Do Horizon Zero Dawn's RPG Elements Measure Up?

An in-depth look at the combat, the crafting, whether your actions have consequences, and the question of multiple endings.

The Thunderjaw Cometh: Horizon Zero Dawn's Robots are Still the Real Stars

All the ways in which Horizon's robot dinosaurs help to elevate Guerilla's open world RPG.

It’s here where Horizon Zero Dawn settles you into a familiar grind, if you’ve played any modern RPG ever. You pluck herbs from the ground for health and supplies. You hunt (robotic) creatures using a variety of upgradeable bows (alongside other less-useful weapons) along with infinite boars and foxes (literally the only living animals that aren’t robots) so that you can craft more things. You talk to strangers on the road and in towns that you’ve never met before, and help them with their troubles despite any trust issues Aloy should bear inherently. Horizon Zero Dawn is a conglomerate of familiar RPG tasks, and fails to make any of them feel worthwhile; lacking the strong narrative to pull you through or differentiating hook to set the game apart from others in the genre.

The side missions in Horizon Zero Dawn are consequentially stale, in that they feel repetitive and pointless to a fault. In one, I help gather supplies for a woman's superpowered gun. I slaughter some people, get the supplies, slaughter more people with the new gun, and then we're pals. In most cases, you're fetching something for someone, you're helping someone fight (whether it's against robots or bandits), or you're finding a missing person. In another, a distressed father worries his daughter has fled to commit suicide, so I investigate to track her whearabouts. In the end she's not dead, just cornered by an alligator-like robot. I kill it, she thanks me, then she sends me to find another person (her lover), who winds up dead. She returns to her father, heartbroken, but alive. Aloy leaves, to likely track down another stranger. Aloy is everyone's reliable hunting cat, with people throwing constant mice at her feet to chase.

I dressed Aloy in the outfit where she looked like she was part-mecha, because of course I did.

I struggled to see why Aloy would go on these needless side tasks along the way of her ambitious quest. She doesn't have an all-encompassing job, like another grey-haired RPG hero. And growing up as an outcast, Aloy was openly shunned by other adult strangers even as an innocent child. Because of this, it's puzzling as to why Aloy would literally risk her life for the welfare of randos and that of the local tribe (and other tribes) that disregarded her mere existence throughout her childhood. There are painfully few instances over the course of the game where Aloy stands up for herself and grows a personality outside of the cookie cutter “sarcastic hero” that video games are prone to embedding in their protagonists. And the rare times it does happen, it’s oddly refreshing. But then the game reverts back to the grind, and back to the bland, eye-rolling wise cracks.

Horizon Zero Dawn has an Identity Crisis

Horizon Zero Dawn is at its best when you’re not chasing down a mission or a missing person; it soars when you're coasting in between. Like creeping through the tall grass, overriding a potential steed, trotting away into the world’s vast emptiness. The game’s beautiful, too. Arguably one of the best looking games on the PS4 to date (side note: I played the game on a regular PS4, and not a Pro). But all those positive feelings melt away once you enter another main mission, and you find yourself quickly roped into more claustrophobic corridors and arena battles, stripping the player of the freedom that makes the travel between locations feel so pleasant.

After about fifteen hours with the game, the game’s main plot reaches an apparent climactic point. The story plateaus at this point, dragging out the additional revelations and twists, and slogs at a painfully slow pace for approximately 15 more hours, remaining there until you battle the third iteration of a particularly large machine. The main story within Horizon Zero Dawn has hardly any variety, like the side quests. Seemingly every main mission ends in an arena fight of sorts against a giant-to-medium-sized machine, with a plethora of corridor battles against living humans to get there.

Horizon Zero Dawn waddles in an identity crisis. The game is action-packed and "open world" to the fullest extent of the definition, but then it shoves you into another battle of running in a big circle, flinging arrows aimlessly at your devilishly (and as the game drags on, redundant) massive target. It urges you to embark on bountiful side quests, but the bulk of them feel pointless and distracting to the central, pressing conflict. It attempts to tell a grand science fiction tale of humans and the mistakes we make with technology, but its central heart feels cold and unearned, and grows increasingly reliant on boring information dumps.

In an endgame level grind, I'm feeling especially burned. I try to revisit the few things I enjoyed about the game over its 30 or so hours. I climb a few more Tallnecks, giraffe-like creatures that are multiple stories high, to unlock a view of more of the world map (and take a screenshot or two). I venture into the depths of another mountain’s Cauldron, where I sneak past machines and behold its labyrinthian, tentacle-like wired halls.

These Cauldrons bear the game’s rare insight as to how the robotic creatures were created and have ravaged the earth. By a Cauldron’s end, Aloy is rewarded with more knowledge on how to override additional machines. She exits, and I see that yellow waypoint in the far distance, signifying a main quest I've ignored for some time. It’s raining now—it wasn’t before I entered—and with Aloy, for the first time, it feels like I’ve accomplished something. For the first time, I've gained insight on this world, without being knocked over the head with expository audio logs as with the primary campaign. But as with all things in Horizon Zero Dawn, that positive feeling doesn’t last too long. And it's back to everything else.

The Nitty Gritty

  • Interface: The menus are easy to manage—which is essential for any game with incessant inventory management. The HUD is clean and uncluttered.
  • Lasting appeal: As with any RPG, Horizon Zero Dawn lives or dies by its breadth of content. But with Horizon Zero Dawn the problem isn't the quantity, but the quality. If you're the type that loves meticulous crafting and meaningless side missions, you'll find plenty here. If not, then, well.
  • Sound: Over the course of my 30-something hours, I don't remember any of the sounds or score. Take that as you will.
  • Visuals: If Horizon Zero Dawn has one thing going for it, it's that it's absolutely breathtaking.

Horizon Zero Dawn is disappointing. It has a story that I struggled to care about (complete with massive expository dumps—yay), a bland protagonist, and overtly repetitive and constraining missions that worked against its open world sensibilities. When Horizon Zero Dawn hit its rare strides—from its gloomy Cauldrons to traveling across its sprawling vistas—it only made me wish the rest of the game were as worthwhile.

2.5 /5

Horizon Zero Dawn Review Caty McCarthy Guerrilla Games' new open world action RPG has robots, archery, sci-fi, and more. But is it good? 2017-02-20T08:01:00-05:00 2.5 5

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  • Avatar for LongMuckDong #1 LongMuckDong 3 months ago
    You kind of sound like you don't enjoy video games anymore..... for reals.
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  • Avatar for Kuni-Nino #2 Kuni-Nino 3 months ago
    It seems like the kind of game I was expecting. That Ubisoft formula seems to have migrated to other studios.

    Interesting point regarding the sarcastic hero/heroine. It makes me not want to play it tbh. I've had enough of snarky characters.
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  • Avatar for repeater #3 repeater 3 months ago
    @michaelhawj21 So by definition the only reviews of games that are allowed are positive reviews? That's an interesting idea from a consumer standpoint..
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  • Avatar for Tristessa #4 Tristessa 3 months ago
    Everything I've seen about this game led me to expect just what the review says. Maybe something I'll give a try later, at a discounted price...out of curiosity.
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  • Avatar for conscius #5 conscius 3 months ago
    I think you took the wrong man for this review job....
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  • Avatar for conscius #6 conscius 3 months ago
  • Avatar for Dr-Lame #7 Dr-Lame 3 months ago
    I'm disappointed that it wasn't better, but I appreciate the breakdown of what it did right and wrong. I can tell that the types of things that bothered you would really bother me as well. Especially the feeling that you're just going through the motions without it making sense within the narrative.

    Thank you for the insightful review!
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  • Avatar for chaoticBeat #8 chaoticBeat 3 months ago
    Lol @ low score bringing out the chumps.
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  • Avatar for conscius #9 conscius 3 months ago
    @chaoticBeat no, it's more about reviews that are the opposite of others.
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  • Avatar for StrwbrryJams #10 StrwbrryJams 3 months ago
    Loved the insight vis-a-vis how the protagonist would have no reason to help others who ignore her. Really glad for the review, and hope the haters here aren't a bother.
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  • Avatar for The-Fool #11 The-Fool 3 months ago
    @chaoticBeat most of the accounts were created after the review came out, and as for the others that were created earlier, it seems to be their first comment... I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same person.

    I'm sure they've had a chance to play the game themselves and can verify that (in their opinion) it's the snake's hips...

    Anyway, thanks for the review, Caty. An interesting take and it brings up a lot of points that concern me... repetitive, boring side/main quests, large narrative dumps, an unimpressive story, and so on.

    Though if I'm honest, it's simply made me more concerned for Breath of the Wild, which I will be picking up before/if I get this.

    The story tends to be what pulls me through in games like this, I think, so I hope Zelda can avoid what has happened here. Though from what Aonuma has said, they want people to explore to uncover what happened to Hyrule... so there may be hope!

    I mean, breaking Zelda conventions is all well and good... but what if you liked those conventions? (and don't like others that it seems to have borrowed...)

    Sorry, I went off on a tangent!

    Thanks again!
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  • Avatar for Kat.Bailey #12 Kat.Bailey 3 months ago
    @tommya.karlsen24 Well, I mean, I was the one who reviewed Final Fantasy XV, not Caty. She has a different opinion.
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  • Avatar for Kat.Bailey #13 Kat.Bailey 3 months ago
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  • Avatar for J-Jizzle #14 J-Jizzle 3 months ago
    Please note that this is the only negative review of this game out there. Don't necessarily take it at face value as fact. It's the only review pulling down its metacritic.
    Jeff Gertsman at giant bomb gave it 5/5 for God's sake and he iffy on most games. Read around other sites.
    It's only Xbox fan boys agreeing with her review to help them cope with a console with slim releases this quarter.
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  • Avatar for repeater #15 repeater 3 months ago
    @peterfeist77 You do realise that two different people reviewed the two different games, and that their tastes might differ? There is no rule that says that everyone that reviews a game for USGamer needs to come to the same opinion about everything game related.
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  • Avatar for hiptanaka #16 hiptanaka 3 months ago
    Sounds like how I feel about most open world games. A beautiful world with a conflictingly linear and urgent story that tugs at you when you just want to explore the places at your own pace. And when you do explore, most of the content boils down to follow-the-quest-compass fetch quests. I think the combat looks fun in Horizon, though.
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  • Avatar for jaredanders71 #17 jaredanders71 3 months ago
    88 on Metacritic, take this clickbait review with a grain of salt.
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  • Avatar for travisscott91 #18 travisscott91 3 months ago
    Seeing that every other review site gave this a 9/10 and 5/5 I have to call bullshit.. Like a lot of these other comments have mentioned, you must not enjoy gaming if you believe this is a 2.5 at best.. I just find it very ironic that your review is the only review out of countless others who think this is a terrible game. And the fact that you gave double dragon a 3 and this a 2.5 shows that you are very clueless when it comes to reviewing games.. There are a ton of reviews out right now people. Don't just take this guys word for it because obviously he is not in his right mind. Check out the other reviews and you will see what I'm talking about...
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  • Avatar for NotCarolKaye #19 NotCarolKaye 3 months ago
    Jeez, the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. Why get upset about this? Not everyone will like the game.
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  • Avatar for xnoob12 #20 xnoob12 3 months ago
    "I struggled to see why Aloy would go on these needless side tasks along the way of her ambitious quest."

    Isnt this, like, always the case with RPGs? RPGs are about freedom of choice. If you need a headcanon reason how about telling yourself you were doing it for better equipment or that the people who needed your help couldnt wait any longer. Character motivations have never 100% made sense in RPGs, although you do have a point that The Witcher has a decent explanation. Still, I think its kinda petty to bring that up in your review. Its a videogame, its never going to 100% make sense. If you want your character to make more sense its up to you, since you get to choose what your character does and doesnt do.Edited February 2017 by xnoob12
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  • Avatar for goomshill #21 goomshill 3 months ago
    I enjoyed your review, it seems a lot more genuine than some of the other praise. I've watched the game extensively and the biggest parallel to me is that this is The Force Awakens of video games; very formulaic and played extremely safe by the developers who borrowed tropes and retread already trodden ground, with nothing exceptional in the mix. I feel like I wouldn't get anything new playing this game after the other ubisoft open world titles
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  • Avatar for The-Fool #22 The-Fool 3 months ago
    @NotCarolKaye people like to get upset about things on the Internet.

    I am reasonably certain that is its purpose: to provide a place for people to whine, and to attack others under the cover of anonymity.

    Though these people seem quite enthusiastic, so I'm rather inclined to think that they would scream these comments at people in real life too.

    Let's try to be nice and civil, okay kids?

    As NotCarolKaye said, there are plenty of positive reviews... so why not go and write about how much you agree there, rather than write rudely about how you disagree here?

    That's not to say you can't disagree here... just... politely, please.

    Not every person is going to like every game... and that's okay... and I wouldn't want it to be any other way.
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  • Avatar for conscius #23 conscius 3 months ago
    @The-Fool you didn't play the game yourself, so don't be hypocritical. If you want to believe 1 review, ok good. I believe the 70 other ones.
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  • Avatar for chiptoon #24 chiptoon 3 months ago
    Thanks for such a well written and reasoned review. The few other reviews I read lacked a lot of the detail you went into.

    It sounds like the game will still have appeal for those who are happy to wade through 10s of hours of bland open world tropes.
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  • Avatar for faxityr #25 faxityr 3 months ago
    "How DARE they give MY game a 2.5/5?! People who differ from my opinion deserve to die! This is clearly a clickbait article, someone else should have reviewed this game! WHY ISN'T THIS A 10/10?!?!? You CLEARLY don't enjoy video games! CLICKBAIT"

    You guys are pathetic.Edited February 2017 by faxityr
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  • Avatar for VotesForCows #26 VotesForCows 3 months ago
    Don't you commenters (lots of new commenters...) think you're being a bit sensitive here? I don't think I've ever been actually upset by a review.
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  • Avatar for VotesForCows #27 VotesForCows 3 months ago
    Eurogamer also rated this somewhat poorly, if you're all looking for more places to express your emotions.
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  • Avatar for xnoob12 #28 xnoob12 3 months ago
    @chiptoon every videogame has tropes genius
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  • Avatar for Mooglepies #29 Mooglepies 3 months ago
    My fear with this game was always that it was going to be overly generic in spite of its setting and visuals. Perhaps Genre Fatigue is starting to set in? Open-world Adventure/RPG games have been arriving thick and fast in the last 4 years, which is about how long it took for most of the gaming press to get bored with modern/near future linear FPS games.

    None of this bodes well for Zelda, to be honest, a game that I have sinilar fears for. Perhaps Nintendo can add some points of difference to set themselves apart from their competition.

    As with all things, genre fans will probably get much more out of this than others - perhaps this is the source of disparity between this review and others. Also worth pointing out that sister-site Eurogamer was pretty neutral (neither Recommended nor Avoid).
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  • Avatar for neogafaretherealhara #30 neogafaretherealhara 3 months ago
    This is my first and possibly last comment I would make here, but you have to call it like it is.

    NeoGAF are VERY defensive of the PlayStation brand. Talk negatively about its exclusives and expect to get dogpiled into oblivion. That is what's happening here at the moment and I'd bet every last cent that they are neogaf users.

    Imagine that? A forum which stands for equality, supporting women in gaming and labelling Gamergate as the harassers of women, harassing a female writer because she chose to give her opinion on a video game. HER OPINION!!!

    This is why the gaming community despises neogaf. Perhaps the most vulgar, immature, close-minded group of gamers in all of gaming. You like to rip on 'Xchan' or reddit continuously, but no one from gaf has ever taken a step back to look at their own behaviour.

    With that said, as a PC gamer myself, I wish this game would have gotten released on other platforms. Maybe one day I will buy a PS4 and a few exclusives to enjoy what Sony and its studios are developing and doing for gaming, but it's great to read a different point of view on a game which is getting such high praise.
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  • Avatar for Lane #31 Lane 3 months ago
    Wow... the SDF is out in... uh... force.
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  • Avatar for Thetick #32 Thetick 3 months ago
    wow, i don't think i have seen so many comments in such a short time here. I will get this game, but after reading this i will turn my expectations down and probably enjoy it a bit more.
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  • Avatar for stefanwalhausen27 #33 stefanwalhausen27 3 months ago
    Lol, Sony Defence Force enraged.
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  • Avatar for ianmcgreal15 #34 ianmcgreal15 3 months ago
    To be honest, I don't remember any of the music from Witcher 3. I find many of the side quests to be rather monotonous as well. Do I feel like replaying it again ? ... No. Do I find the story all that engaging ? ... No. The visuals are really the only true standout point for me ... But do I love the Witcher 3 ??? Hell yes I do !!!

    Remember: Blodborne was not far off this model design either in comparison to Dark Souls (weapons, attire, boss fights, replayability, etc), but it's one damn fine game that I will never not own. Same goes with the Witcher 3.

    I will purchase day one. If not to support a new IP gamble, but to have faith in Sony. They haven't let me down yet.
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  • Avatar for The-Fool #35 The-Fool 3 months ago
    @conscius ... eh?

    No, I haven't played the game. Have you?

    I've read a few other reviews at other sites I frequent, they're all different... obviously... that's kind of the idea, so I can build more of an informed opinion myself.

    ... and that has led me to the conclusion that I'm still interested in this game.

    Just not right now.

    Breath of the Wild -- a game I've been waiting for since 2015 -- is just under two weeks away. I (foolishly, hence the name) have a Switch preordered. I just had to get a small loan to buy a new car.

    I have decided, based on this review and others, plus what I've outlined above, that I do not need Horizon Zero Dawn right now.

    ... but that really has very little to do with my point, which was:

    People like and dislike different games. That's okay.

    Different reviewers will have different opinions on games. That's okay.

    You should read lots of reviews to build your own opinion as to whether a game will be worth your time.

    Try to find a reviewer that your tastes align with, and that you feel you can trust.

    If you disagree with a review, that's okay. If you feel compelled to share that view, just do it politely, without resorting to insults and profanity.

    Ever being the optimist, I like to think the best of people. I am sure that this is how the author truly feels about this game. I am sure she likely knew of the response it would garner, yet she still had the conviction to let the review be published.

    I would not be so strong, knowing such a venomous torrent was sure to soon be heading my way.

    I can disagree with the author's opinion, but still respect it. Still respect her.

    Sorry, I started rambling a little... I think my point is:

    Respect.
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  • Avatar for BlueSkyClouds #36 BlueSkyClouds 3 months ago
    Wow! 2.5!? Come on, guys and gals...

    It's technically broken!? It isn't fun AT ALL!? Is it REALLY a worst game than Double Dragon 4, and a MUCH worst game than FF15 (which is, in many ways - story mainly - a broken game!)!? Besides, 2.5 is borderline to a FLAWED game in EVERY aspect!

    I mean... Wow!!! Really really coherent, USGamer!Reviews MUST be more than just "taste" or "opinions"!Edited February 2017 by BlueSkyClouds
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  • Avatar for Neifirst #37 Neifirst 3 months ago
    Whew...hang in there, Caty. I've never seen commentary like this is on USGamer before, which leads me to believe there are a lot of new registrants. I appreciate your insights here, but one thing I didn't see addressed was to what degree you need to complete sidequests to advance. Are the rewards / stat building they provide critical to completing the main storyline, or could you have been more choosy (in retrospect) and hence suffered less tedium? I'm going to pick it up regardless on account of its Pro support and the robotic dinosaurs, but I'd love to hear a response.
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  • Avatar for Crackrash #38 Crackrash 3 months ago
    Loved the review, thank you. Your description mirrors all the concerns and doubts I had watching trailers and gameplay footage. She's so beautiful yet I can't stop yawning
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #39 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @Fbase88 That's not how it works. Water is wet, the t shirt I am wearing today is black, the climate in in tropical regions are prone to humidity... those are statements based on absolutes.

    A review is a subjective piece of criticism and people expecting for everyone to fall in line is absurd. This seems to only happen in video games because this nonsense you just said does not fly in literary, art, nor film theory and criticism. Yet in gaming, some of you expect everyone to fall in line?
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #40 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @Fbase88 Also the sky isn't blue.
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  • Avatar for guilhermeleroy10 #41 guilhermeleroy10 3 months ago
    usgamer gave perfect score to the first Watch dogs ... there is something strange hereEdited February 2017 by guilhermeleroy10
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  • Avatar for boos1 #42 boos1 3 months ago
    This looks like that blockbuster that every one will flock to, sing the high praises of, and that will ultimately not leave a bruise to remember it by... but I’d love to be wrong. I hope I am.
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  • Avatar for hiptanaka #43 hiptanaka 3 months ago
    @LongMuckDong To me it sounds like she doesn't enjoy the established standard of open world games. I'm in the same boat. Many will disagree, of course, in a world where The Witcher 3 is regarded as almost perfect.
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  • Avatar for hiptanaka #44 hiptanaka 3 months ago
    @conscius If the point of publications is to maximize review scores, yes. This review reflects my feelings on many open world games, and I don't think it's too bad that my perspective is represented in at least one of the dozens of reviews out there.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #45 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @hiptanaka And even then, despite the beautiful world, the Witcher 3 is criticized fairly IMO in regards to something I find important, which is the combat, an integral part of the gameplay.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #46 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @conscius Then stay on NeoGaf or GameFaqs and live in the echo chamber then. Because you know, everyone has to think the same and never offer a differing opinion. Your bubble must be nice.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #47 MyNameIsMe 3 months ago
    Weird. I enjoy the writing on USGamer. I think@JeremyParish has put a really unique team of writers on this site that bring a different perspective to games journalism that you don't find on other sites. This review has me curious though. I've read quite a few reviews on this game and the problems that Caty had with this game haven't appeared in any of the other reviews I've read. I'm wondering what@kat.bailey thought of the game or what Mike Williams experience has been... And that's not because I have a problem with the review per se, but I feel like I know their tastes a bit better and their input would help me with my decision.
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  • Avatar for Neifirst #48 Neifirst 3 months ago
    @guilhermeleroy10 Different author. There's no "USGamer" score. I am kind of surprised this wasn't reviewed by open world enthusiast Mike Williams though - maybe he's taking care of Breath of the Wild?
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #49 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @peterfeist77 Because it's different people? I didn't realize that there was an individual called USGamer. Good to know! That is the worst example that people can bring up, to compare two reviews by two different people of two entirely different games, especially in different genres.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #50 MyNameIsMe 3 months ago
    @Neifirst Yeah. USGamer is one of the few sites left where there is some civility in the comment section. I think the problem is people are coming here from Metacritic because this review currently sits at the bottom. It will slow down once/if another lower score comes in.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #51 MyNameIsMe 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix That USGamer is a really fickle person! It's like heshe has multiple personalities or something!! Seriously though, don't bother with those types of comments. They're not regular members of the site and they won't be back again until another PS exclusive gets a bad score.
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  • Avatar for tomjones79 #52 tomjones79 3 months ago
    Console preference bias aside...take time to actually read the review and criticisms of the game. Does it seem they are fabricated??? Seems to me the ones trying to discredit the review are grasping and trying to explain away the score more than the defenders of the review score. It is an opinion overall, i feel the review nails every worry i personally had about this game. Bland fetch quests, repetitive mechanics, average story all covered by a slick veneer of polish and cutting edge graphics. I'd say the review was on point. There is a lot of push and bias for this game to do well by Sony. Had this same exact game been released by Xbox as an exclusive it would be getting 7's and 8's at best from IGN and Gamespot etc...you better believe it. Sony exclusives tend to get a pass on flaws that Xbox exclusives get score deductions for...one look into the big sites review histories of both brands deff shows a pattern of that exact thing.
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  • Avatar for kidgorilla #53 kidgorilla 3 months ago
    It's sad that one of the only articles on this site that gets flooded by assholes is your first review, Caty, but don't take it to heart. You said your piece and said it well. It's not normally like this here
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #54 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @NTWHA True. The community here is usually so level headed, even when there is disagreement.

    Although I do enjoy getting down voted for not defending nor crtisizing the review, but rather calling out sanity and for them to realize reviews aren't a monolithic entity. I think some people would prefer there was just one gaming site with uniform viewpoints and call it a day.
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  • Avatar for DrCorndog #55 DrCorndog 3 months ago
    Well, now I'm going to have to read a review of a game I don't care about just to see why it has so many people crying in their milk.
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  • Avatar for StrwbrryJams #56 StrwbrryJams 3 months ago
    Maybe not the best place or time to ask, but this game kind of sounds like the "Video Game: The Video Game", as a third-person open world game with over-the-shoulder firing mechanics and crafting. Is that wildly off?
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  • Avatar for Kat.Bailey #57 Kat.Bailey 3 months ago
    @StrwbrryJams Maybe a little reductive, but it does play it safe in many respects with current trends. I've personally found it pretty but shallow.
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  • Avatar for link6616 #58 link6616 3 months ago
    Well, it's a shame that this score seems to have attracted a... Passionate crowd. But some fun chances to discuss the nature I scores I guess.

    2.5 seems like a fine number for what seems to be in this experience a fairly average open world game outside of some very pretty and interesting visual designs.

    Kind of a shame though, although since I haven't spent years reading Catys work I can't quite work out her preferences yet (and how much they match mine or not)
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  • Avatar for paulhurt95 #59 paulhurt95 3 months ago
    Interesting perspective. Im currently playing FFXV which has the worst side quest implementation and design Ive come across in a long time. Im interested to play this just to make a comparison.
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  • Avatar for tgpumpkin #60 tgpumpkin 3 months ago
    Everyone's entitled to an opinion. I've just finished reading a couple high score reviews and ran into this one by surprise. It seems like the trending consensus is it's a great game.

    The problem I have with this review is how it seems to punish horizon for being personally burnt out of the genre of action Rpg. After reading the review I felt more like the author was bored of the genre than Horizon. The energy was dismissive throughout the review and didn't seem to even look for any strengths. How's the combat? How's the skill building? How are the controls? Graphics get a brief mention . I mean it's not covering multiple layers at all and really is focused on the authors personal disconnect with the game. The way the review flowed it felt like the author didn't give the game a chance. I'm not saying they didn't....but that's the tone set here.

    If we're going to be honest here Zelda is going to have the same amount of side quests , cheesy story, and familiar filler feelings (I'm a huge Zelda fan btw). Zelda won't have a different or thought provoking narrative. When I read the review above and apply the standards set in it I wonder shouldn't Zelda get the same score next week then by same reviewer? We know it won't, but my point is this feels like more the authors issue with a genre and is punishing horizon for things action rpgs are known for.
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  • Avatar for tgpumpkin #61 tgpumpkin 3 months ago
    @chiptoon what detail? I'm genuinely asking. No discussion on controls....combat....skill building...graphics.
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  • Avatar for Vanderdulpp #64 Vanderdulpp 3 months ago
    My big impression during the debut was "looks cool, but how are they gonna keep it interesting?" Sounds like they didn't. I can't say I'm surprised. Open-world games, in my mind, are worthless without a strong central narrative- which is why Rockstar and Bethesda succeed where Ubisoft's sprawling beacon-hunts lose my interest.

    This makes me particularly worried about BotW, which is set in one of the most massive and seemingly sparse open worlds to date...
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #67 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @leonardodivinci27 Except it is not click bait because the title of said article is "Horizon Zero Dawn Review". Cannot get more simple and non descriptive than that.

    Even the tag line says nothing but describe the genre, and only poses a question.

    You have no idea what click bait even means.

    Also, what are real gamers? Do tell. The circle jerk that is NeoGaf? KotakuInAction? What is it?

    Unethical? How. This is one of the few sites that reviews are not even the main focus, but actual well written essays in which you would usually only find in theory and criticism writing, usually only reserved for every other medium except for gaming. Most sites are usually only reviews, previews, and the AP headline of the day.

    No name? Jaz, Bailey, and Parish have been writing for quite a long time and have sown their wild oats in the industry,

    What a ridiculous statement. You bring nothing in the way of discourse.

    You know what discourse is? It is the fact that I have found myself disagreeing with many of things Kat Bailey has said, yet I respect her what she writes or says on the podcast and can understand where she comes from. Know why? Because instead of engaging in immature verbal diarrhea, she actually presents her viewpoints in well thought out manner. ame with Oxford, Williams, Parish, etc.

    The simple realization of "Oh, he or she likes different things than I do" is pretty amazing.

    You know, so many film critics were down on one of my favorite films, Magnolia. Do you honestly think I care? That it hindered what I feel about it?

    Get out of here with this nonsense. This is the type of hyperbolic crap that gives our hobby a bad rap.
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  • Avatar for jake3103 #68 jake3103 3 months ago
    Thanks for the review, Caty. It's nice to hear from someone with a different perspective on the game, and some of the points you brought up were things I was genuinely worried about.
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  • Avatar for chuka'smith'okonkwo7 #69 chuka'smith'okonkwo7 3 months ago
    @The-Fool what kind of idiot pre-orders a switch instead using the money to add up his other funds to purchase a new car. Like, this is the reason why people can't take your opinion seriously. cause you clearly don't have any sense
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #70 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @erikwp So then a low score is not fine. Again, you said a low score is fine... as long as it lines up with everyone else.

    I mean, did you buy financial shares or something? Many in the community seem to have such a stake...
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  • Avatar for tgpumpkin #71 tgpumpkin 3 months ago
    @erikwp a low score is perfectly fine like you said if you take the time to provide an in depth review covering various aspects to the game rather than only focusing on the ones you don't like. I always respected low score reviews when you felt like they tried to bring out reasonable strengths in the game despite their dislike for the game.
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  • Avatar for serahfannon #72 serahfannon 3 months ago
    Thank you for this review, Caty. In a world full of journalists impressed by the old and tired Ubisoft-esque formula mixed with a bit of Far Cry here and Tomb Raider there it's refreshing to see someone actually see through it and talk about the game without being blinded by the same tricks the AAA studios always pull.
    It is pretty clear that this game is not just a product of our time but also trying too hard to appeal to the progressive audience right now by hamfisting an agenda into their story.

    Enjoyed your review and please don't let the people here going "what is wrong with you?" "how dare you not giving this a 10/10?" get to you, just ignore them. Keep doing your job!Edited February 2017 by serahfannon
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  • Avatar for hiptanaka #73 hiptanaka 3 months ago
    @tgpumpkin "If we're going to be honest here Zelda is going to have the same amount of side quests , cheesy story, and familiar filler feelings (I'm a huge Zelda fan btw)"

    Zelda actually seems to be pretty unconventional in terms of open world design, if the E3 demo and interviews are anything to go by.

    For one, it seems to put a greater focus on interacting with the world itself. Cutting down trees to use as bridges, pushing boulders to break stuff, etc.

    Another example is the progression structure. Aonuma said in a recent interview that the story is discovered by the player, instead of being told linearly, and that much of it is optional. I suppose (and hope) this means breaking away from the usual series of mandatory main quests.
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  • Avatar for tgpumpkin #74 tgpumpkin 3 months ago
    @hiptanaka thanks for your response hip! In truth it's kind of difficult for us to know exactly what Zelda will be and I'm sure there will be some new refreshing ideas like you mentioned. My point though is that overall there are elements in the Zelda universe that are formulaic but most times it gets a pass...Mostly because we have a long standing relationship with Zelda and it's lore. We've been fighting gannondorf and beside link in by rule for years! Sometimes new games have a harder hill to climb because we don't have that personal relationship with the world yet and we can be more unforgiving as a result.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #75 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    Full disclosure. I am still interested in getting this game. Hey, look at that, it is called having a mind of your own and not depending on reviews to validate your decisions! I have read only two reviews of this game. One positive, and one negative. Because everybody is different and I like to hear what the yay and nay people say respectively.

    I read this review and reading what she disliked about it, what she did not like I think will work for me because I can go for open world that is not so open world. I can go for some robot dinosaur action, even if a bit shallow.Narrative for me in an action/adventure game is usually secondary, especially since I still do not consider this an RPG. I guess it is as debatable to the eternal question people have debated for decades: is Zelda an RPG or not. For the record, I don't consider Zelda an RPG at all, even when they do introduce EXP as in Zelda 2, or if it has trappings one may usually see in one. Skill trees or EXP does not make an RPG for me IMO. But then again, why for certain games, this is a debate that will never have an answer, and that is fine. So her view on the narrative does not bother me.

    I will also be honest, this was never going to be a day one purchase for me anyway, because there are so many games, and only so much I am willing to spend. I don't need to join the me first train when it comes to games, and there are very few games I get on release (Persona, Zelda, Splatoon, Souls).

    So still interested, and still planning on getting it sometime after Persona 5 releases, and after I get Nioh.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #76 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @tgpumpkin I read the review. It was honest, without hyperbole.

    You know what I don't like? Reading a review and within the first paragraph people labelling GOTY. That is hyperbole without a step back to reflect, especially early in the year. I usually think about the games I play at the end of the year and choose my game or games of the year.

    Second, no writer is perfect, but lets talk about skill trees. In this day and age, we all know what a skill tree is. Great. When I read a review, I want to hear the author's experience with the game.

    A skill tree discussion is meaningless because the experience has no baring with it. A good experience will be a good experience with or without one. Talking about a skill tree, may as well talk about DEX, STR, CON stats. Nothing wrong with reviews that cover those aspects, but also nothing wrong with reviews that do not, as long as the author conveys their experience in a way that makes me understand why they felt that way.

    I understand where she came from. Fair enough. Don't need her or anyone else's validation. Just as I do not need anyone else's validation for loving Wind Waker more than any other Zelda game.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #77 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @tgpumpkin But hey, one last thing. Thank you for being civil unlike others :)
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  • Avatar for nick-garden #78 nick-garden 3 months ago
    It seems like the kind of game I was expecting Horizon zero dawn, in which your review was especially noticeable as it is the one with the worst rating. Now to my request. Such an overview is always helpful for a purchase decision and I like to read the individual reviews. Nevertheless, I wonder how such an off-the-board standings can come. Perhaps you should have heard that in such a review the magazines with strangely differing opinions do not get any attention in the evaluation because here obviously only the own taste or the desire to act against the mainstream is in the foreground. But this is not your job. You should know the general taste of the players and in this sense, including own knowledge, evaluate a game. Basically, every aspect of the game has been praised by the majority of other magazines, the opposite was written. And this is really embarrassing at the end. There were also film critics who at that time "forrest gump" negatively evaluated. What do you think how much attention these people probably got. I only want to say, if you do not master your profession, do something different.
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  • Avatar for detten17 #79 detten17 3 months ago
    Interesting read sounds to me that Hirozen is more akin to Assasin's Creed: Syndicate than a Witcher 3 with robots; I hadn't played an Assasin's game since 2 but I found the combat, fetch quest, and bobbing hunting repetitive midway through the game. I might pick it up during the fall season.
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  • Avatar for detten17 #80 detten17 3 months ago
    @peterfeist77

    you're comparing apples to oranges bud.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #81 Roto13 3 months ago
    I love how negative reviews of console exclusives always bring out the sooky fanchildren whose entire identities depend on their console of choice getting all the best games.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #82 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @nick-garden But many of those respected critics still stand by what they said on Forrest Gump. Which is important. Instead of changing your mind to fit with the most popular opinion.

    I said it then, I say it now. I still agree with my original sentiment on Forrest Gump. I don't think very highly of it still. On reflection, I can give that film some praise. It was well made, and it knew what it set out to do, but I also found it to be comfort food. it manipulates your emotions, but beneath it all, it was shallow.

    Nothing wrong with comfort food. But there is also nothing wrong for me calling it like it is, and saying, nope. Pass.

    So not a great example. I know we are in the minority, but it does not make our viewpoints any less valid.

    Again, the day where every thought has to line up to fit the status quo, well, that is the day where it will be a sad world for the arts.
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  • Avatar for KaiserWarrior #83 KaiserWarrior 3 months ago
    Sounds like HZD is pretty much in the same boat as FF XV then, from my perspective. Nice, big open world with... basically nothing plot-relevant in it, and a plot that doesn't jive with the open-world nature of the game.

    On a more meta level: Wow, all of these newbie accounts and first-posters. A very large part of why modern video games are as screwed up as they are is because of this exact thing: people treating their entertainment products like a friggin' religion. Somebody not liking a game is not a personal insult to you, especially when you haven't even played the damned thing yet.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #84 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @KaiserWarrior I actually like the plot of FF15, as messy as it can be in the way that it is told. Actually, while I am currently loving FF15, I feel the open world nature for the first part of the game hurts it a bit. I mean, I like the Hunts as side quests, and upgrading the vehicle and weapons, but... the rest of the side quests are a bore.

    I feel that FF15 should have been more linear. Not FF13 (which I enjoyed actually), but a bit more like FFX.

    There is nothing wrong with a game being somewhat linear. Sometimes I prefer it.
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  • Avatar for Kadrom #85 Kadrom 3 months ago
    hey guys what's going on in this thr

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  • Avatar for DedicatedDark #86 DedicatedDark 3 months ago
    I registered here because I genuinely loved one of the write-ups here. While I really hate jumping to defend in another's stead somehow this time I cannot help but do so.

    The reviewer, she already told you *why* she rated it low in the review. If you have played the game and have counters to her arguments then I am sure she and others will at the very least find it worthwhile to give your comment more than a passing glance and dismissal. And you can convince some other people to buy the game if your points are valid enough.

    Pointing to the majority and saying because the majority says this, doesn't make it valid. Especially on something subjective as thoughts and enjoyment of media.

    Also, insults and rude comments really helps no-one. And it usually just ends up devaluing you.
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #87 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix The Forrest Gump / HZD comparison is admittedly a weird one because there are people looking back on it now and realizing it's a highly flawed movie. It has merit, of course, but it also has that scene where Forrest inadvertently writes "Imagine."
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  • Avatar for jynxce #88 jynxce 3 months ago
    I generally respect UG's reviews, but I really hope you guys aren't low balling the score here just because you're so far in Zelda's camp? Not looking for 90's or more here, but a 50 makes it seem as if the game is seriously broken, not because the reviewer's heart belongs to another franchise.Edited February 2017 by jynxce
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  • Avatar for cldmstrsn #89 cldmstrsn 3 months ago
    oh man so excited for this! I also just picked up my new 4K HDR TV over the weekend!
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #90 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    Gosh, this hullabaloo takes me back to ... yesterday. I'd seen "The Founder," a movie with overwhelmingly positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, and I found myself agreeing with many of those reviews. But lo! The Guardian published a negative review and called the movie "tepid" while bringing up other valid criticisms! Well, I went right over to the comments section and spared a glance at the conversation and then I closed the tab and played Dragon Quest because I accept the fact I live in a universe where even the most popular games can't possibly garner a 100% metascore from the entirety of humanity.
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  • Avatar for ottocerqueira #91 ottocerqueira 3 months ago
    Sorry, but this review is too biased. Looking at other reviews of Cathy I can see a pattern and Horizon is clearly off the curve.

    The analysis contradicts itself plenty of times. You say that Aloy grows in a tribe and she's curious about the robots. That's her motivation as a hero. Curiosity for the outside world and yet and love for the community. You also call her sarcastic. So after all this, how can you call her a bland character? Bland and sarcastic at the same time?

    What’s wrong with the heroine helping other people? That's the whole point…

    You say the side quests are repetitive but describes a myriad of different ones and yet you criticize this is not different from any other game of the same genre. If it's common to have these tasks in the genre where exactly is the problem? It’s like saying it’s bad to have fights in a fighting game.

    About the identity crisis… No crisis at all, you simply misunderstood the game. It has both wide and narrow spaces. Have you played Final Fantasy XV? Same thing. Half the game is open-world while half is narrative-driven in mostly narrow spaces.

    About the sound you say it's not memorable so... it’s a bad thing. That's all you have to say? This is not an analysis. You could say if the music and effects matches the universe of the game…

    A 1.5/5 stars for the review.Edited February 2017 by ottocerqueira
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #92 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @Kadrom +1 for classic meme.

    I was interested in HZD, but when I read Caty's review, my fingers fell off and scurried away to save myself from playing such an awful, awful game.

    Wait. No they didn't. My fingers remain attached to my hands despite the fact I clapped eyes on a review that skews against the average. Even more remarkably, I'm still interested in playing HZD and will do what I can to squeeze 'er in before Zelda drops.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #93 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    Considering I'm having more fun playing Odin Sphere Leifthrasir than the critically acclaimed Bloodborne and that one of my favorite games is the infinitely hated upon No Man's Sky, I kind of know how it goes to have an opinion that goes against the grain. That said, I'm also pretty good at determining the kinds of games I'd love to play, and Horizon Zero Dawn looks like just that sort of game. I'm tired of the post apocalyptic scene where everything's dark and messed up and also similarly tired of the games with big guns and bigger meatheads endlessly running around and shooting bullet sponges.
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  • Avatar for michaelwalko88 #95 michaelwalko88 3 months ago
    My biggest concern with this game is that it would suffer from side quest bloat, which is what made me eventually put far cry primal aside. It seems to be a bigger focus to this reviewer than the others I have read.

    Does anyone know if the map gets as cluttered with side missions as primal? It sounds like this is just a different version of a far cry game.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #96 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @bramkoeleman74 So you only care about the Metascore for what exactly? To validate your purchase? What a weird thing to say.

    Also, it is not click bait.

    "You won't believe what Brad Pitt just did and caught on camera" ....... followed by an article of Brad Pitt promoting on camera a pair of designer jeans or shopping at Starbucks is click bait.

    May as well just start yelling "FAKE NEWS" at clouds while you are it.

    I mean you purposely saw a score you did not like, with a good chance you have not played the game, and came to vent about said score you do not like. In other words, you are trolling.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #97 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @bramkoeleman74 Also Jim Sterling is the worst example, because he is the definition if hyperbole. If NeoGaf was uploaded to a robot, we would Jim Sterling.
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #98 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @mariorodgers Odin Sphere Leifthrasir was one of my favourites for 2016! Enjoy it. http://www.usgamer.net/articles/odin-sphere-leifthrasir-vanillawares-perfectly-imperfect-game
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  • Avatar for sfalletta #99 sfalletta 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford I read through the reviews on Glixel and Eurogamer but skipped most other reviews. The reason: no number score. I feel adding a number score to a review overshadows the writer's opinion. I understand the need for a number is based on the overall expectancy of the public but I would love for some sites to rise above the non-sense.

    And for those spewing conspiracies about the review score being low due to a perceived Nintendo advocacy by the site: is it reasonable to highlight other sites ad revenue from Sony as a reason for inflated scores. I wouldn't but if we are throwing accusations around, lets do it right!Edited February 2017 by sfalletta
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #100 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @jynxce Also, lets look at scores, because people forget about that. A 2.5 out of 5 is not broken. It is right in the middle. It is actually the definition of mediocre.

    The gaming community is the only community I know that does not understand how the number system works.

    Not shocking, considering it is also a community that will throw a hissy fit if something scores below a 9.

    I mean people complained about Last of Us getting a 7. A 7! As far as I know, a 7 out of 10 is pretty darn good.

    Hell, if someone told me my looks were a 7 out 10, I would be ecstatic.
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  • Avatar for Kuni-Nino #101 Kuni-Nino 3 months ago
    Its unfortunate that Horizon and Zelda are both being pitted against one another. A lot of the ire seems to be coming from the fear that Zelda might get a higher score. Why should that even matter?

    Both games aren't even going for the same audience.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #102 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford Oh, you should have seen it. I saw Forrest Gump when it came out. I was 15 years of age, and did not care for it too much. You would have thought I was a witch with out people reacted to my feelings.

    Heck, even now. My lovely wife, she still thinks something is wrong with me for not liking Forrest Gump lol
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #103 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @Kuni-Nino Par for the course. In the late '90, Nintendo and Sony fanboys pitted Ocarina of Time and Metal Gear Solid against each other for some crazy-ass reason.
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  • Avatar for geckothegreat #104 geckothegreat 3 months ago
    Really terrible review. Maybe you should have let someone else who actually likes the genre review the game. It honestly brings down the quality and integrity of the entire site. The game is getting 9/10+ across the board and it going to be a GOTY contender. Your score is single handily bringing down the average by like 5%

    50% is reserved for games which are essentially unplayable. For gosh sake, this site gave double dragon IV a higher score than this game.

    Oh, and maybe have someone who has done a review in the past be the one to review a AAA. It makes your site have no credibility.Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by geckothegreat
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #105 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    @geckothegreat I'd probably be okay with a site giving a good score to DD4 if Neon didn't exist or if the new River City Ransom wasn't coming out soon.
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  • Avatar for recabus #106 recabus 3 months ago
    after reading this and a lot of other reviews, the ony think i an say about this one is that is wirtten by a hater.of course i havent played the game and i cant say i it is good or no, but with so many positive reviews this one just falls short, and the way is written, seems like he want to talk trash about it but cant do it. you cant make a consistent review, a professional one if you are neither about it
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #107 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    It's like when Yahtzee crapped all over Ori and the Blind Forest, a critical darling that some still recognized had flaws. He caught major heck for that.Edited February 2017 by mariorodgers
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #108 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @geckothegreat You have no credibility. I forgot, games from AAA studios have to be only reviewed by certain people. Oh get the hell out of here with that shit.

    Drop the hyperbole. You are so concerned with the average it is absurd. Are you that insecure? Serious question, because nobody that is a functional adult cares.

    And who the hell decides GOTY this early and on day one?
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  • Avatar for ikki5 #109 ikki5 3 months ago
    Hmm, after reading several reviews, this one kind of surprises me though, it does seem to be a quite the outlier. I can really only conclude that they got the wrong person to review it as it sounds like they just don't like the genre at all. With that said, this review won't stop me from getting the game and from enjoying the game.
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  • Avatar for camchow #110 camchow 3 months ago
    Interesting review. I can see how this sort of game isn't going to be for everyone. When I first saw gameplay of this game I wanted it to be more of a Monster Hunter kind of game, I'll probably still go into it without worrying too much about the story. I'm so used to cringing or being annoyed by stories in games these days that I'll get through this fine. I'm enjoying Nioh right now but man the story is pretty dumb. Fire Emblem Awakening is one of my favorite 3DS games but it's story is garbage. Honestly what I was more concerned about is how Aloy seems to talk to herself constantly, but man, the game looks beautiful and I'm totally fine with an RPG open world grind. I more concerned about just getting lost in the world, hunting down the mechs and exploring. I put like 250+ hours into Fallout 4, I play MMOs to explore the world while leveling and thrown them out once I hit level cap. I think I'll probably end up enjoying that kind of gameplay in Horizon Zero Dawn.
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  • Avatar for jeglo #111 jeglo 3 months ago
    seems like another pass
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  • Avatar for danielgómez30 #112 danielgómez30 3 months ago
    @Tristessa should really look at other reviews if you havent! Dont just let one decide your opinion.
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  • Avatar for ninopurgar30 #113 ninopurgar30 3 months ago
    This reviewer didn't get any money from Sony for this review, so he wrote here what the game really was
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  • Avatar for cesarleon83 #114 cesarleon83 3 months ago
    whats up with this man, seems he just dont like videogames, lol.
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #116 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @nimzy "Good luck, everyone."

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  • Avatar for LongMuckDong #117 LongMuckDong 3 months ago
    @J-Jizzle I agree, The Gertz doesn't fling 5/5's out much ever...and he's smitten: I fail to see how this game could score worse than objectively disgusting games.

    There seems to be a lot of apologists on this site though, Eurogamer and USgamer seem to have it in for the game (GG must have Kai Leng'd your cornflakes or something).
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  • Avatar for Kuni-Nino #118 Kuni-Nino 3 months ago
    @LongMuckDong If you bothered to read the site and pay attention to the personalities, you'd know that no one on this site shares Gerstmann's tastes or personality. It's different and that should be okay.

    Horizon might be a crappy game. It might be great. Who knows? The only person who can answer that is yourself. There are no apologists on this site because to be an apologist you have to admit a wrongdoing has occurred of which there isn't any to be found in this case. USGamer published an opinion and a particularly well-founded and well-written opinion.

    The take away you should get from it is that if you are tired of the open world tropes and schlock that have come to define and plague this generation of AAA titles, you probably won't enjoy this. It doesn't matter what kind of coat of paint it has on, if Horizon's traversal and structure is as boring as it looks, it's going to be a deal breaker to some people. Why is that so hard to believe?

    I don't know why I'm still surprised that games criticism is still in this sorry state of having to defend harsh reviews. Horizon has a "fanbase" you have to fend off before they've even gotten their hands on it. It's ridiculous.
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  • Avatar for Mooglepies #119 Mooglepies 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford they won't stay of course. They'll be gnashing their teeth elsewhere at the first sign of a new non-issue controversy.

    Over by Christmas I tells ya.
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  • Avatar for Lothars #120 Lothars 3 months ago
    @NotCarolKaye Agreed, Not everyone will like the game but I don't think this was a very good review. I have little interest in Horizon and honestly seeing it get a 5 stars from giant bomb peeked my interest but I am not getting it at launch.

    It just reads to me like the reviewer was being negative for the sake of it but I would like them to review Zelda now just to see the contrast.Edited February 2017 by Lothars
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  • Avatar for geckothegreat #121 geckothegreat 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix And you just seem to be a white knight apologist lol. You think maybe if you defend her review she will like you or something?

    Truth is:
    Only review below a 7.5
    Most reviews are 9+
    This is her first review ever

    All of that should tell you maybe her review isn't accurate.
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  • Avatar for sfalletta #122 sfalletta 3 months ago
    Rally the troops!!!!

    For all you enraged over reviews: AV Club has posted a mediocre review(in progress) of Horizon Zero Dawn. The only issue is the review doesn't have a score so you have to read through the article to understand the reason someone doesn't like this subject work of art like you. Hurry lemming the cliff await!Edited 3 times. Last edited February 2017 by sfalletta
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  • Avatar for swamped #123 swamped 3 months ago
    Thanks for your well-considered review Caty. I started to get concerned that the game's writing might be weak when all the gameplay footage I saw had a constant running dialogue from the main character. That's... Umm what happened to "show, don't tell?" I don't know if it continues through the rest of the game but it definitely raised a flag for me that your take on the game reaffirms.

    I appreciate critical reviews because the gaming community tends to inflate a game's reception based purely on enthusiasm and hype (with very rare exceptions). Critical reviews also add value to overwhelmingly positive reviews. I've only bought 2 games at launch in probably the last 10 years, both were based on the enthusiasm of a US Gamer Review, and I did not regret either purchase. That was not the case when I was following magazine reviews, back in the day. Why trust US Gamer? Because I know if a game needs work, it's going to be given critical consideration, not glossed over because the rest of the game was pretty good.

    To those saying this is no different than most RPGs, I wouldn't disagree, but that sameyness makes it all the more important to get other elements right. I love a good fetch quest, in fact I tend to throw myself into them until I get sick of them, but how fast I tire of them depends on things like the value of the completion rewards, whether story elements are integrated into them, and whether it feels like completion of this small part of the game is contributing towards the whole in some way, even if it's optional. If you don't have those elements, all you have to keep you going is how much you personally like the world of the game.
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  • Avatar for davidjohnson36 #124 davidjohnson36 3 months ago
    The plural of cactus is cacti btw. Since your spell check and editor both failed you.
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #125 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @swamped You can't bring a thoughtful, measured response in here! This is a RageZone!™
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #126 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    @davidjohnson36 Christ almighty damn, I can't believe I'm even bothering, but here you go. From Grammarist:

    "Cacti is the Latin plural of cactus, and some writers use it in English. Cactuses is the English plural. Dictionaries list both, and neither is right or wrong. Also, like many names of plants, the uninflected cactus is sometimes treated as plural."
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  • Avatar for sfalletta #127 sfalletta 3 months ago
    @davidjohnson36 Actually cactuses is also accepted. It depends on the style guide followed or audience a writer is addressing. In academic settings the Latin plural is preferred but I doubt we can raise usgamer to the level of an academic setting even though their work is better than most.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #128 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @geckothegreat White Knight... what? Do you even listen to yourself? I ask for people to show respect and you all just act like children. Simple as that. It is embarrassing. I am really big into literature, and man, you only really see this sort of behavior in gaming. It is ridiculous. And this is why video game does not have the respect of other art forms, because people like you keep proving what a shit show everything surrounding it is.

    Again, pointing out other reviews does not mean anything.

    Let us take a look at one of my favorite movies. Vertigo. It is Alfred Hitchcock's best work IMO. Many historians believe it is as well. The response to that movie in the 50's was not very kind here. But European critics in the 60's were very kind to it, elevating it So who is right? It's not black and white.

    Your arguments are poor because you want everyone to tow the line. Something that is not expected in literary and film criticism. but you believe everyone in gaming should conform. Many of you seen concerned about bringing down a meta average, as in who gives a shit.

    I actually still plan on getting the game. Because it has robot dinosaurs. If it did not, I probably would not go out of my way with all the options out there.
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #129 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    Clearly reviewed by someone who has played way too many open world games and is burnt out. Or just trying to generate clicks, there's always one or two in the crowd. I'm gonna go with the latter. This site in general seems to be having an identity crisis lately, and is not amongst my frequently visited anymore.

    It seems like in general it's just not a good idea to trust anyone's opinion if their last name is McCarthy. From Jenny to Melissa, it just seems like they all do dumb things to get attention.
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  • Avatar for superberg #130 superberg 3 months ago
    People: part of understanding criticism is understanding the reviewer. Roger Ebert hated lots of great movies. He was a good critic because he clearly (often eloquently) stated his points and made his reasoning clear. As long as a review is honest and clear in their points, they are doing their job. It's up to you to interpret it and decide if their opinion is in line with yours.

    Expecting everyone to agree with you, or looking for a sweeping consensus, is foolish. Caty provides her reasoning. You're free to disagree with it, but don't call it clickbait.

    Edit: ESPECIALLY considering the public at large has not played Horizon Zero Dawn yet. How can you defend a game you've never played?Edited February 2017 by superberg
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  • Avatar for tienyuanhsu97 #131 tienyuanhsu97 3 months ago
    bullshit review ........

    u just hate sony

    2.5??
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  • Avatar for TheWildCard #132 TheWildCard 3 months ago
    Oh boy the "you rated this game outside a standard deviation!" crowd is here! I always find it amusing when people say all reviews are "paid", yet complain when someone has an opinion outside the majority.

    Sounds like what I was afraid it would be. Yes, it's on the negative end of critical consensus it seems, but most people seem to agree it's pretty conventional mechanically. It just came together better for most people. I'm still going to pick this up sometime.
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  • Avatar for RorschachCCCLX #133 RorschachCCCLX 3 months ago
    @tienyuanhsu97 Time to change the air in your head. "u said bad thing about a game that is exclusive on my favorite brand name game box, how dare u!"

    A dull repetitive game is a dull repetitive game no matter the name brand box it runs on.
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  • Avatar for Nuclear-Vomit #134 Nuclear-Vomit 3 months ago
    Hahah. Look at all the people that got mad because someone didn't like a game that they like. It's not your bosses are going to look at the score and decide not to give you a bonus.....right?

    You all must be Zero Dawn's PR staff. Otherwise, why care so much about a review? If you don't like this review, buy the game anyway. Vote with your $$$. In fact, buy more than one copy.
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #135 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    "It seems like in general it's just not a good idea to trust anyone's opinion if their last name is McCarthy."

    What?

    What??
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #136 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford Wow, defending your coworker so vehemently while everyone else on your team is silent, This is probably the most traffic your site will get for awhile, so enjoy it, and the lack of credibility it brings with it.

    Your site has turned into a bipolar mess ever since the switch presentation in January. Not saying you're nintendo bias, but you're all definitely drinking the switch kool aid when you write several articles with for and against it, yet you all have it pre-ordered!
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  • Avatar for RorschachCCCLX #137 RorschachCCCLX 3 months ago
    @TheWildCard This game always seemed it was going to be walking the razor's edge of open world excitement/tedium - its hard to fill all that space with compelling content.

    My experience with the developer bares out what Caty pointed out in the review - it should be noted fellow Gamer.net network partner EuroGamer largely agreed with this review.
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #138 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford Did my opinion rattle you? It's my opinion after all. I'm calling it like I see it. If you don't like it, don't give me an opportunity to make such an observation. You can't tell me the editor of this site read the review and went "hey, that looks good, not like you were the wrong person to review this at all!" Controversy was known and was allowed. Enjoy the mosh pit :)
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #139 MyNameIsMe 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford Don't feed it Nadia! Just walk away! Also, cute avatar. I can't believe how many contributors on this site like Dragon Quest.
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  • Avatar for Namevah #140 Namevah 3 months ago
    Ugh, this comment section. I don't understand the people spreading these hateful comments. What's the point? Massage the ego? Delusions of grandeur, or a misguided belief that questioning the review and/or reviewer will change the score? It's disappointing that this discussion is being plagued by this pollution, but at least they'll wander off soon.
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  • Avatar for sloth-machine #141 sloth-machine 3 months ago
    @RATTLEDTHEOX you say the reviewer is biased then close out your comment with a biased statement, lol.
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  • Avatar for tgpumpkin #142 tgpumpkin 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix Thanks for your response. We don't agree on this matter and that's cool. I feel that the review is kind of a snowball of negativity rather than trying to look at the different pieces, strengths and weaknesses, and creating a whole. That being said, at the end of the day not everyone connects with a game the same way. It's a form of art and is going to reflect differently with people. I don't begrudge the reviewer for her dislike of the game but feel her approach in the review was a reflection more of her personal disconnect with the genre than the game itself. In my opinion a reviewer needs to look past their own interest and find the balance of their own connection with the game vs. the masses out there who want to know the pros and cons. It's a balance. Just my .02 cents.

    Thanks again for the post.

    PS-no hate from me on windwaker. I liked the cel shading. I thought people made too big a deal about it honestly. Game had a lot of heart imo :)
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  • Avatar for tgpumpkin #143 tgpumpkin 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix as to your compliment just wanted to say thanks. I do appreciate difference of opinion, even with my own.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #144 MyNameIsMe 3 months ago
    I would maybe advise caution for people that are vehemently defending Caty's opinion of the game just as much as I would tell people attacking her review to chill out. This review seems strangely out of line with what most critics are saying about the game, to the point where it doesn't add up. Something isn't quite right, and my gut feeling is that the issue isn't with the game. HOWEVER, the last time one review site gave an "okay" score to a game that everyone else gave glowing reviews was on Gamespot with Skyward Sword. That poor reviewer got destroyed for her review, but six years later it's the most accurate review of the game. So I feel like we'll have to wait and see once the game comes out.Edited February 2017 by MyNameIsMe
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  • Avatar for dr134 #145 dr134 3 months ago
    I find it absolutely hilarious that so many people have freaked out over the fact that this review is not in line with (most) others.

    Why have multiple reviews if they are all required to be the same?

    And, unless you work for the people who made the game or for Sony, why do you care?
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  • Avatar for Namevah #146 Namevah 3 months ago
    @NTWHA But having a different opinion doesn't mean anything except that the reviewer is human and capable of having a different opinion. Pointing towards someone with a differing opinion and saying "That's different from the popular opinion. Something isn't quite right" is, quite frankly, terrifying.Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by Namevah
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  • Avatar for elsieparoubek #147 elsieparoubek 3 months ago
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  • Avatar for Gigapants #148 Gigapants 3 months ago
    Sony mafia incoming

    via GIPHY

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  • Avatar for HorizonZeroDawn #149 HorizonZeroDawn 3 months ago
    2.5 hhh joke of the year
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  • Avatar for alexb #150 alexb 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford There's no sense in argument and incredulity in the face of an army of burner accounts. Be like water, my friend.

    Oh, and welcome to the newcomer.
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  • Avatar for javierpantindomingue #151 javierpantindomingue 3 months ago
    Let me guess, you have a nintendo at home.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #152 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @superberg Exactly. I am a big fan of Ebert. He knows his history and theory, and his essays and commentaries outside of his articles are amazing. He disliked many films people loved, but he also liked plenty films people disliked. Why? Because he reviewed every film on its own. He reviewed it on what it set out to do.

    Example, this film is suppose to be campy, trash. Got it. He would not say, but how does it compare to these seminal works. No. He would say to himself, "Does it do a good job of being campy, trash and how does it compare to other movies that are campy, trash". That is why his reviews are all over the place., but in each one, he explains himself well.

    He wrote an incredibly essay on Michael Bay for the Criterion Collection. It's Micheal Bay for goodness sake. Yet, he eloquently wrote why he admires The Rock (I liked that movie)) and why he admire Armageddon (did not like that movie), and his argument was though out, and incredibly well written. His conclusion. Bay knows what he is, what he wants to do. That said, does he accomplish what he wants to do well, regardless how you feel about his product.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #153 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    @javierpantindomingue Now that right there is the king of bad arguments.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #154 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @tgpumpkin Hey, of course. People at this site disagree all the darn time. Sometimes it gets heated, but always civil. This right here is just, well, these comments from some of these people just left me speechless.

    And as to the person commenting the bi polar reaction to Switch, well, again, multiple people with different viewpoints. How is that hard to understand? Or do you want the site to have one collective opinion?

    Also opinions change. Kat was underwhelmed by the presentation, and then she felt more positive after she held it in her hands.
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  • Avatar for Belderiver #155 Belderiver 3 months ago
    That was an interesting read. Thanks for the review!
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  • Avatar for n8ofsp8ds #156 n8ofsp8ds 3 months ago
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/horizon-zero-dawn
    71 positive reviews and three mixed they all cant be paid off reviewers not that their is that i know of but still take this review with grain of salt but everyone's allowed to their opinion. But if you like this reviewer and thats all you need for reviews then ignore what i said lol.Edited 3 times. Last edited February 2017 by n8ofsp8ds
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  • Avatar for JinjoHayabusa #157 JinjoHayabusa 3 months ago
    This review confirms some of my concerns about this game and the open world action-adventure genre in general. I think I would probably end up agreeing with it, mostly, if I actually picked this game up and played it. I probably won't play this game.
    The only thing is that I'm a jaded older gamer whose interest in games has declined to the point that I no longer play games. This review doesn't read like it was written by somebody who enjoys games, or at least this type of game. And, in my opinion, complaints about so-called ludonarrative dissonance in games are pointless. It's a video game, so either stop thinking about it or simply don't do the sidequest in question. And no mention anywhere in the review about how fun the game is. Just mentions of ennui during the parts that are supposed to be exciting, like boss fights.
    To sum up, it's probably an accurate review, but I think the average gamer will enjoy it a lot more than Caty and I would.
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  • Avatar for UnskippableCutscene #158 UnskippableCutscene 3 months ago
    So I looked at this review originally when there were only two comments. Twelve hours later there's like a hundred and fifty. Hmmmm.

    This is a smaller, more personality driven site that has just has a change in staff. If you're a regular visitor here for it's reviews, podcasts, etc, you kind of learn more about the people. You know Mike likes open world games and PC gaming. Kat likes JRPGs and that reputation goes back to 1Up and Active Time Babble. A new person doesn't bring that breadth of familiarity, so I have the same thought now I did after the first two comments:

    "Hmm, Axe of the Blood God should be interesting."
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  • Avatar for alexdamm17 #159 alexdamm17 3 months ago
    Score aside, I'm overall a little puzzled with your review. You can't stress enough how the action rpg elements in Horizon feel derivative and really grindy. I'm not sure if the game is completely at fault here because it sounds as if you're really worn out with this genre.

    You barely go into any details about the actual gameplay.. combat mechanics, modifying weapons/using different types of arrows, skill trees, using stealth. It actually seems like you were rather frustrated with it, since you say the game just "shoves you into another battle of running in a circle, flinging arrows aimlessly" which makes me wonder if you approached these battles with any tactics at all. In that sense, I feel this review is a little poor.Edited February 2017 by alexdamm17
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #160 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix There's no problem with people having different opinions obviously. There is a problem when someone criticizes something heavily, but then claims they're still all in on it. It makes zero sense. If I'm uncertain about something, have problems with it, and it costs a chunk of money, I'm certainly not spamming F5 to get it. Then again, I'm not bipolar.

    I think it's just time to face the facts that this was a botched review done by someone that clearly has no love, or is burnt out on the genre. If you don't agree, or think I'm wrong, then let's request this same person do the review for Breath of the Wild. I'd love to see if she gives the same opinion, or if this was a one shot chance at getting some extra clicks, wouldn't you?
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  • Avatar for VotesForCows #161 VotesForCows 3 months ago
    Man this is still going. People must really love this game that they haven't played.
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  • Avatar for DrCorndog #162 DrCorndog 3 months ago
    As a college educator, I encounter a lot of people lacking in basic critical thinking skills, and now it seems they've all descended on this comment section.
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  • Avatar for Dorchadas #163 Dorchadas 3 months ago
    Alloy is raised by Rust?

    I mean, video games aren't usually known for subtlety, but...
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #164 Roto13 3 months ago
    @David-Jones So, you think people shouldn't give negative scores to games they're sent review copies of?

    Whose shill are you? I guess Sony's?
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  • Avatar for Verkambj #165 Verkambj 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford Please do not fuel the fire, Nadia. It is a shame this troll army decided to show up and turn USGamer comment sections into what IGN has become. Keep up the good work and know that I will wait to comment on the review until I have actually PLAYED the game. A war over review scores when no one here has actually played the game...wow.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #166 Roto13 3 months ago
    @javierpantindomingue I should hope so. People who write for game sites should have as many platforms as possible. Not everyone relies on their parents, who will only buy them one console a year so they get completely up their own asses when someone doesn't like one of their games.
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  • Avatar for Verkambj #167 Verkambj 3 months ago
  • Avatar for bigbadboaz #168 bigbadboaz 3 months ago
    Daaaaaaaaamn. I guess those not optimistic that good old Guerrilla could actually deliver a game to go along with their graphics were right.

    Sony, maybe time to cut a team that actually deserves it..?
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  • Avatar for joshcook22 #169 joshcook22 3 months ago
    USgamer, does every game have to have a good story? Why can't games specialize in something and just be fun at what it aims for? Overwatch has practically zero story and shallow characters that has to be filled in slowly with a 3-minute video clip every several months, and yet people loved it. Almost every call of duty, dark souls, and diablo game is similar in this sense, too, and let's not forget Minecraft. (I'm afraid to see your same expectations placed on a game like Nioh.)

    Sometimes you just have to rate a game for what it is and not for what it lacks. I'm not upset that Dark Souls 3 lacks interesting character choice or development; and why should I when the combat is so intense and the level design is so unique and brilliant?

    In the end, you played the game, and I haven't. I just don't quite understand the demands you place on a game like this. It would almost be better to have multiple people review a game so as to account better for different tastes in games, otherwise it's like asking a blind person to review Tetris.Edited February 2017 by joshcook22
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #170 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @RATTLEDTHEOX But as a gamer, you know that comes with the territory? Just as in outside of here, I know people who are critical of Switch but still are going in on it. I mean those of us in this hobby many times go in on something in the end. You need to look at it from both perspectives. As a gaming writer and as a fan of gaming, which she is both.

    I myself have issues with Switch, and I still preordered one because I love Nintendo's software. I mean, I hated the presentation. It really left me underwhelmed, and then after the hands on preview events, I felt way more enthusiastic about it.

    And it's not really a good example, because Kat is still reserved about it, but she liked what she saw when she played with it.
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  • Avatar for descent303 #171 descent303 3 months ago
    People are so obsessed with scores. There's an entire freaking review there, how about you read it and see if you agree with the concerns?

    Personally I think whilst the game looks stunning, the combat looks really repetitive and boring. I watched a T-Rex fight at another site and it was just roll-shoot-roll-shoot ad nauseum whilst the giant monster bumbled around in circles. If that's what most of the game is, along with bullseyeing oblivious thugs, then the story had better be damned interesting. Sounds like it isn't.

    TW3 is one of my favourite games. The combat is actually pretty bland, although gratifying because you can slaughter so quickly. I found it so great because of the detail and cohesion put into all the quests. If this game doesn't have that it loses a lot of appeal.
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  • Avatar for JohnnyBananas #172 JohnnyBananas 3 months ago
    This makes me really appreciate the usual USG comment threads. One of the best parts of the site.
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  • Avatar for I-m-not-Daredevil #173 I-m-not-Daredevil 3 months ago
    My fears have been realised it seems. This looks great, and soulless in equal measure. I'm sick of games that are developed with the intention of being a franchise, they just don't do anything interesting.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #174 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    @I-m-not-Daredevil I'm not sure about soulless. All the other reviews mention weighty societal issues. I guess umpteen thousand years in the future, sexism still exists.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #175 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    BTW, was it necessary to spoil the outcome of one of the sidequests? I'm sure it was one of those throwaway missions that had little bearing on the main story, but I'm one of those people who plays a game for how much tiny, insignificant bits of world building it can cram in.
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  • Avatar for SimonArGee #176 SimonArGee 3 months ago
    I rarely post here (or anywhere, really), but since I've been reading here for years, I just have to chime in.

    Great, well-written review, Caty. What you pointed out as issues most definitely would annoy me and Kotaku UK's review rings the same kinds of bells, so I guess I'll hold off on getting this game for now.

    Also, USGamer should problably just drop scores altogether; then, people would have to learn how to read and think for themselves, instead of just dumbly scrolling down the page to see if the score matches whatever high number they think the game should be getting.
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  • Avatar for ek99 #177 ek99 3 months ago
    Everybody better not tell me that the story was never meant to be a major aspect of this game. "Oh, it's just an action game, the story doesn't need to be good!" Oh really? This game has how many dozens of voiced characters? Probably 20+ hours of professional voice acting and mo-cap acting? Dozens of cutscenes? Hundreds of lines of dialogue? Why did they put all this junk into the game if the story was just meant to be a casual wallpaper behind everything else? I read through 5 other positive reviews and they barely mentioned anything about the story, other than to summarize what it's about. If they don't care about the quality with which the storytelling of Horizon is delivered, I'm happy for them, but don't tell me that the game is a marvel of achievement, a 9/10, etc., when 1/3 of it is apparently dull.

    As for the "she must be tired of the genre" comments. I didn't get any sense of that. What I see is a reviewer who plainly laid out her standards for what makes a good action RPG, in both narrative and gameplay terms, and then compared the game to those standards after 30 hours of play. She said that the characters are bland, that the vast landscapes feel empty, that the quests are repetitive and lacking, that there are various tired cliches, that the protagonist lacks proper motivation, etc.. How many people here have sunken 30 hours into Horizon to be able to say otherwise?

    That the majority of other review sites gave Horizon raving scores doesn't mean that this particular reviewer is off base. If anything, she might be one of the few critics who is level-headed and sees the game for what it is, instead of seeing it through rose colored glasses.

    I give a lot of credibility to this review specifically because after watching multiple hours of preview material, I noticed that all character dialogue felt bland, the deliveries of that dialogue were stale, and that the story overall did not seem very good. I'm not talking about storytelling only from a "words on a screen" point of view. Storytelling in games goes far beyond that and you only need to look as far as the "Last of Us," "Shadow of the Colossus," and "Bastion" to see that it's true. The world and setting of Horizon look amazing and the concept of the prehistoric distant future is awesome, but it doesn't mean that the execution is good. I think that the reviewer has been very specific about the faults (and strengths) that she finds with this game. She may have a higher standard than the rest of the critics, but that is more their problem than her's.
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  • Avatar for NiceGuyNeon #178 NiceGuyNeon 3 months ago
    Omg this is going to be an axe of the Blood God topic now. Nearly 200 comments arguing about the merits of hunting robot dinosaurs haha
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #179 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    And someone asked, paraphrasing here, that if she found the combat repetitive or dull, did she even bother trying tactics?

    I mean, does it matter? If you can get through fights without using tactics then what is even the point? To provide artificial difficulty?

    I mean look at Nioh and the stances, yet most players didn't even bother with them or stuck to one they liked instead of switching between them like the game wants you to. Why? Cause they found there really was no need.

    So attacking her review for not using tactics is not a good argument in this scenario.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #180 Roto13 3 months ago
    @leonardodivinci27 Your weirdly intense emotional stake in this game is actually really, really obvious.
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  • Avatar for timkeough #182 timkeough 3 months ago
    78 reviews available to compare to each other on metacritic and this review is absolutely by far the only that thinks the game is bad, other sites love this game or like it at least so i certainly wouldn't take this reviewer's opinion as gospel
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  • Avatar for Thusian #183 Thusian 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix honestly they're making her point for her if the game has combat mechanics you never need to consider they're not implemented well
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  • Avatar for LBD_Nytetrayn #184 LBD_Nytetrayn 3 months ago
    1984 must have been one hell of a year, what with all that glorious conformity and lack of dissenting opinions.
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  • Avatar for link6616 #185 link6616 3 months ago
    @timkeough Well... taking any review as gospel just seems like a path of pain and suffering...
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  • Avatar for Gaminggumper #186 Gaminggumper 3 months ago
    @Thusian no, because then they would stand as a point of complaint.
    Not all titles require Dark Souls precision, or Witcher level story telling.
    If the reviewers intent was to state that, apart from graphically, it was mediocre or disappointing she succeed. But she spent a lot of words defending the argument that a open world needs to justify all the activities it presents.
    I happen to disagree (try justifying any extra fun in the Yakuza series), but thats her prerogative.
    Im just not sure why it "needs" to have a point other than the thrill of it.
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  • Avatar for Gaminggumper #187 Gaminggumper 3 months ago
    @bigbadboaz id suggest reading a few other sources. ive read two or three that nearly gush over the characters and more than any other feature. I never take a single source as the only word on a game.
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  • Avatar for Stevegasm #188 Stevegasm 3 months ago
    Damn, almost 200 comments. I've never seen that here before. Why does it matter so much that this reviewer thinks this game is bad? I've seen many other critically acclaimed games with scored on the low end. What makes this game different?

    At least to me, what this review describes the game as, is basically a single player MMORPG. As far as any video I've seen on it, the game looks pretty slow and clunky. But I'd still have to play it myself to really see how it feels, but I'm not buying a PS4. Maybe they'll port it to PC, but who knows.
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  • Avatar for docexe #189 docexe 3 months ago
    So a highly anticipated game (and console exclusive no less) gets a bad score that also happens to be the outlier compared to other sites, prompting fans of the game (who have not even played it yet, what with it not even been released at the time the embargo was lifted) to cause a storm in the comments of the review. Sigh… typical, just typical. Good to know the gaming community’s old habits have not died out yet -_-.

    Personally, based on this and a couple of other reviews I have read, the game is not particularly original when compared to other open world action RPG’s, and the quests related to the main storyline are dull, but it has great production values and it seems the combat against the mechadinosaurs is the most satisfying part. So, it’s pretty much what I expected based on the previews and I think it might appeal to me in the end. So if I ever finally get a PS4, I will definitely play it.
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  • Avatar for docexe #190 docexe 3 months ago
    And well, other commenters have mentioned it before but it merits to be repeated: When it comes to videogames (or really, any other kind of creative work), reviews are not some universal gospel that dictate quality in absolute terms. They don’t because there is always a subjective component that varies from person to person and that plays a part in the enjoyment of the game in question (and the same is true of pretty much every other form of creative work, be they films, music, literature, painting, etc.).

    Now, a certain consensus regarding the quality of a specific creative work might emerge over time if the majority of critics share a similar opinion regarding said creative work. But that doesn’t mean said opinion will be universal: There will always be outliers (even among highly reputed critics) that don’t care about the work in question (and that’s perfectly fine!). It neither means that said opinion will be set in stone: A lot of creative works that are currently acclaimed were actually derided or ignored when they were originally released (sometimes years, decades or even centuries ago), and viceversa.

    Finally, if your primary concern about the score given in this review is that someone doesn’t share your (or anyone else’s) opinion about the game (a game that you couldn’t have played yet, I need to remind), or that the aggregator score of the game took a hit ...Well, sorry to say this, but the problem is not with the review or with the reviewer, the problem is with you. It only shows that you are an immature and insecure person who needs external validation for their personal tastes.
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  • Avatar for SatelliteOfLove #191 SatelliteOfLove 3 months ago
    Sounds like a "Tales of Graces f Game". I'll keep that in mind.
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  • Avatar for bigbadboaz #192 bigbadboaz 3 months ago
    @Gaminggumper Yeah, this was the first review I saw. Seems like the game is getting quite a reception.

    That said, I have approximately zero faith in Guerrilla Games. I'll buy in if and when I get a chance to actually play.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #193 MyNameIsMe 3 months ago
    @Namevah Is it terrifying? Are you terrified? Yeesh. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I have to say, but if you're going to comment on a simple statement I made about a VIDEO GAME, and imply there is some kind of terrifying and or sinister reasoning that led me to my conclusion, then please for the love of god, read my whole comment.Edited 2 times. Last edited March 2017 by MyNameIsMe
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  • Avatar for Lothars #194 Lothars 3 months ago
    @NTWHA I don't think she did say it well. I think it was a fairly poorly put together review. I don't care about the score and have no interest in picking up the game at launch but I will say I am not a fan of her reviews so far especially if this is her first review on the site than it seems more for the reactions than her feelings which is a shame. I hope they discuss it on the podcast.
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  • Avatar for dimasok #195 dimasok 3 months ago
    I appreciate this viewpoint even though its a stark departure from the rest of the reviews out there (Eurogamer's wasn't glowing either).

    It is however an opinion and it deserves to be heard.
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  • Avatar for otherZinc #196 otherZinc 3 months ago
    Excellent review!
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  • Avatar for jorjkadry51 #197 jorjkadry51 3 months ago
    The comments are just as shameful as the review
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  • Avatar for alexdamm17 #198 alexdamm17 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix No, the point of using tactics would be quite the opposite of "artificially increasing difficulty" - and you're missing the point of the question. So again, she said the game is frustrating and that it shoves you in battles that keep you "flinging arrows aimlessly" so this begs the question, how was she playing it? Because that certainly doesn't sound like someone who is trying (and willing) to learn how combat works.

    You're meant to use different types of ammo for armor/weak spots, lay traps, use the ability to slow down time, stealth, etc. Not run in circles shooting and hoping to get lucky. Whatever the case may be, I still respect her opinions but that part of the review made me skeptical and it lacks details, which is why I found it poor.
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  • Avatar for StreeOverlord-Jacked #199 StreeOverlord-Jacked 3 months ago
    @repeater Exactly, whatever happen to diversity?
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  • Avatar for Derblington #201 Derblington 3 months ago
    @ek99
    Firstly, I apologise for the large amount of text :)

    What I see is a reviewer who plainly laid out her standards for what makes a good action RPG, in both narrative and gameplay terms, and then compared the game to those standards after 30 hours of play. She said that the characters are bland, that the vast landscapes feel empty, that the quests are repetitive and lacking, that there are various tired cliches, that the protagonist lacks proper motivation, etc.

    There's a lot of emphasise and criticism on narrative and structure in this article, as you point out, though some of those criticisms seem a little unfairly directed. The writing in Witcher 3 is fantastic, agreed, but if you were following a blood trail looking for your missing daughter you also wouldn't have the motivation to do half the things in the game that the secondary quest chains ask of you, and even some of the main objectives. You'd be single-minded, or at least I would. The same criticism of secondary "filler" quests that seemingly is the root-of-all-evil here actually applies to all RPGs that I can think of. Take them away and you get 10 hours of playtime rather than the 50+ hour monsters that Dragon Age, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Oblivion, Fallout, etc, all claim to be. This is pretty subjective though and if the reviewer just doesn't like it here, fine. If she can't see that it's present in other titles too, even those she does enjoy, fine (though that's a little bit odd considering her profession is to be able to recognise and critique these things in as unbiased manner as possible).
    As you've stated that you find this review credible, and that you "think that the reviewer has been very specific about the faults (and strengths)", answer me this from the information present above: What are the mechanics and systems, the gameplay loops? Y'know, how does it actually play...?

    How does it feel to move Aloy: is she deft and responsive or cumbersome and sluggish? Does she feel like she has weight in her movements and interactions? How good is the ai: are the differing enemy classes believable in their role world or are they all dumb AF? Are they dynamic and systemic or heavily scripted and repetitive? How does the audio layer in to that: are there cues to identify danger without line of sight? Can you hear predator hunting prey in the world around you, or tell feel the difference in ambient sounds as you move from location to location? What's the combat like: is it simple and shallow or is there depth to it? Is it hard and skill-based? Do you need to approach all the different enemies in different ways or is there a cookie-cutter win technique? How invasive is the resource gathering and crafting? How does the world feel in exploration and navigation: Is it densely populated with things to do other questing? What is a "Cauldron"? They're mentioned by name as something intriguing but has no explanation of what it actually consists of.

    All Ms McCarthy mentions is:
    Except there’s a twist to remind you of its distance from our present day: there are robot beasts roaming about—subsisting relics of the future-past—and none of them are particularly friendly. While some may simply dash away should you come too close, others take your threatening presence personally, and opt for trying to kill you instead.
    and
    "Horizon Zero Dawn is at its best when you’re not chasing down a mission or a missing person; it soars when you're coasting in between. Like creeping through the tall grass, overriding a potential steed, trotting away into the world’s vast emptiness."

    Now, call me strange but if that's the very best stuff that Horizon has to offer, wouldn't it be beneficial to actually go into some detail about what that experience is like and how much of the game offers that level of fun? We literally have 4 sentences about the most important aspect of any game (the gameplay) and something that she has been engaged in for over 30 hours, gluing the mission structure together. Is that enough detail of the game's strengths to inform you of the experience and to base a purchase decision on, versus the narrative and structural criticisms that take up approximately 10 paragraphs?Edited February 2017 by Derblington
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  • Avatar for pcp #202 pcp 3 months ago
    So, let me get this straight... according to usgamer's score Horizon Zero Dawn is at the same level as Homefront: The Revolution...

    Let that sink in for a minute...
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  • Avatar for bob-00 #203 bob-00 3 months ago
    Same score than Homefront 2: The Revolution, which is basically a broken game. ok.Edited February 2017 by bob-00
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  • Avatar for Jericho-GM #204 Jericho-GM 3 months ago
    I have to say that I found the review lacking as well, in that it only focuses on aspects of the game that Caty didn't like and was mostly silent about anything else save for a passing mention of how pretty it looks.

    As an example, she never went into any detail on the game's combat system, except for the reductive "running in a big circle flinging arrows". The same with the weapons, which is even stranger to me because she basically wrote an entire article about bows and arrows in games and nothing is mentioned here apart from stating the fact that she has one and can get better ones. I mean, how does it work? Was it handled well? How does it compare to the games you mentioned on that article, like Tomb Raider or SOTC?

    Even the mechanical creatures that inhabit the world of HZD are hardly given any time of day in this review. Seriously, they're the actual stars of this game and the only thing I read about them here is the passing mention that you can ride one and climb another. Like with the weapons, it's all too reductive.

    I actually have to agree with the plot. It's easily the weakest part of the game I've seen and seriously turned me off to it after they revealed that story trailer. The cutscenes and dialog look hokey and boring to me and wish that they just went with the Monster Hunter or Dark Souls (or Hyper Light Drifter) route and have as little plot handed to you as possible.

    At the same time, though, it's weird that you think a character should only do things that make sense for her personality and motivations, especially in an RPG. Like other people mentioned, every other RPG does this. FF8's Squall Leonheart is the most boring, serious, depressing, stoic snob in RPG history and you can have him ride chocobos, play card games with utter strangers in alleyways, go full emo and play in a band, read someone's fangirl blog dedicated to your stalker father who is also the president, even go alien hunting for crying out loud.

    The fact that this in particular was given such a priority (at least one paragraph) over gameplay or anything else really smacks of the problem I have with the review. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not angry that you gave it a middling score. I just think that it should have been more thorough.
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  • Avatar for Thetick #205 Thetick 3 months ago
    @docexe There are measurable qualities in films, music and games. level design, character design (both visual and the backstory), narrative, direction are all things that can be executed good or bad. And with videogames there is also things like FPS, clipping/pop up, view distance etc. While this does not tell you if you enjoy the experience, you can tell if it is good or not. I have got a couple of friends who hate the last of us, but you cannot deny the excellent story, characters and design.

    The thing is, reviewing is not as easy as people think and a lot op people seem that their opinion is the same, which you see a lot more in video reviews. A good review is not merely an opinion as many claim, especially when they don't agree. It should tell you how these things are executed and from that comes a logical conclusion. I found almost all reviews on HZD lacking in explaining why it is good or bad overal. They mostly use vague and broad terms. This review is too short for this kind of game. For example, the review of for honor is excellent in explaining the game.
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  • Avatar for mikeyoung64 #206 mikeyoung64 3 months ago
    This is the only real negative review in the industry on the game, almost like it was written just to get clicks. It worked sadly....
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  • Avatar for Jimbondax #207 Jimbondax 3 months ago
    What an insightful review. Worthy of a rabid console warrior. But then again this is Euro/US gamer.
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  • Avatar for PerfectUgly #208 PerfectUgly 3 months ago
    I'm happy to read this take on the game, honestly. Pretty much every other game review I've read was glowing in admiration for a developer clearly passionate about a concept that pulled them out of the Killzone production business (which I never truly cared for).

    That said, I'm still going to buy it.

    The reason being is that this review reads as though you were jaded going into the experience, uninterested in immersing yourself in it, and crafted a pretty stiff, stoic article as a result. I'm also less convinced in your use of the word ‘grind’. This game may have repetitive structures in combat, but a grind is more so with games such as WoW, Destiny, and The Division (I’m not suggesting you do not know what a grind is, I’m suggesting you improperly used the jargon).

    Regardless, I appreciate reading that mostly lone voice of dissension. Always good to get another perspective on the game.
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  • Avatar for Banacheck #209 Banacheck 3 months ago
    For future reference you might want to have your previews & reviews more in line with each other, as some could think its bit odd you found the narative strong in the preview. But for the final review "lacking in strong narative", i cannot see Guerrilla Games completely changing the story in such a sort time-frame.

    Forgot to add they played the game for 7 hours or so thay say for the preview.Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by Banacheck
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #210 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @Thetick You are right, there are measurable qualities in film, however, great films and average films sometimes have measures which are great or average shared. There are many films deemed great but have some average techniques but the acting and script were top notch. I have seen films that have a horrid script yet I can look at the technical aspects such as the photography and editing that are fantastic.

    Example, Michael Bay. Except for The Rock, I dislike his films for reasons that may be obvious to those that dislike him.

    That said, from a technical perspective, he and his DP are masters of their craft. Which is why he has been the subject of multiple critical essays examining his innate talent in the craft and his films being a narrative mess due to the scripts.

    So it is more nuanced than that.
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  • Avatar for apoc_reg #211 apoc_reg 3 months ago
    Bizarre US and Euro Gamer being so against the general games press. Oh well, will decide for myself!
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  • Avatar for cldmstrsn #212 cldmstrsn 3 months ago
    Wow in all my days here which has been from the very beginning I have almost never seen 200 + comments. dont know if thats good or bad.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #213 Roto13 3 months ago
    @Banacheck Unlike whatever fanboy Reddit you and your friends slithered out of, game sites aren't hiveminds. The previews and review were written by different people with different points of view and different opinions. And that's beside the fact that you can only get an impression of a narrative from a preview, not judge the whole thing.
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  • Avatar for dudewhat #214 dudewhat 3 months ago
    I would like Caty to also review Breath of the Wild. Looking forward to how she rates that open world and lackluster story.

    The game quickly tosses you into the shoes of the perpetually mute Link. Then Link (as a wee little kid) discovers a mysterious device reminiscent of what we know as a Triforce. Breath of the Wild is at its best when you’re not chasing down a mission or a missing person; it soars when you're coasting in between. Like creeping through the tall grass, overriding a potential steed, trotting away into the world’s vast emptiness. The game’s beautiful, too.

    It’s here where Breath of the Wild settles you into a familiar grind, if you’ve played any modern RPG ever. You pluck herbs from the ground for health and supplies. You hunt creatures using a variety of upgradeable bows (alongside other less-useful weapons). You talk to strangers on the road and in towns that you’ve never met before, and help them with their troubles despite any trust issues Link should bear inherently.

    2.5/5 I don't like open world games.
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  • Avatar for Subject-Meta #215 Subject-Meta 3 months ago
    Obviously, I made this account to comment, because I was honestly intrigued and a bit surprised by this review.

    I mean, I obviously haven't gotten to play the game myself, but checking Metacritic, there were only three reviews with a score under eighty. While I'm not saying that you're wrong in your opinion, as it is just an opinion, I just find this to be an interesting example as to how people's tastes can vary.

    Though, to the people writing off the game in the comments based upon one review, I suggest that you read multiple other reviews, as well as watch gameplay and what-not online, an don't forget to ask those that you know who've played it. Word of mouth is important, as is gathering as much information as possible.
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  • Avatar for brionfoulke91 #216 brionfoulke91 3 months ago
    I just want to say (210 comments in, I guess I'm a bit late) I feel like this review is spot on. The concerns in this review echo what I was worried about with in this game. It really feels like they're trying to put a new coat of paint on the same old familiar open world tropes.

    I really feel like this game will not stand the test of time. It kind of feels like a similar situation with the Tomb Raider reboot... you can sense an obligation from review sites to gives this a high score, and you can sense that in a few months there will be a backlash and people will wonder what all the fuss was about. Because certainly from what I can tell, there's nothing special about this game in any way.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #217 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp The website is not a person. How hard is that too understand? Even in literary and art magazines, reviews are eclectic and varied, sometimes from extremes where said publication does not have one voice.

    Stop thinking game criticism has to fall in a different line than every other artform. Want to know why so many people fail to realize games can be art? By saying such nonsense.

    Stop thinking any publication has to have one singular voice or stop engaging in the community.

    And for the last time, learn how to read scores that somehow the rest of every art medium from literature to film and music seems to comprehend except for many in the gaming community for some baffling reason.

    She never said it was bad. Nor horrible. She said it was medicore. A solid meh.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #218 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @dudewhat Nadia is reviewing BoTW. Two different people with different perspectives. Again, stop demanding a singular voice. Why bother coming here then? Especially if it seems you just voices that agree with the majority.

    I mean, the hyperbole many in the community have is ridiculous. Look at the GAF thread. Absurd amount of pages of people who have not even played the game already nominating it for GOTY or saying how great it is, because you can tell by screens and presented footage.'

    Seriously?

    I plan on getting this game and of course I hope I enjoy it. I don't like wasting money. But I am not going to go in thinking it is the moon when I can make up my own mind.
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  • Avatar for Rai_The_Noblesse #219 Rai_The_Noblesse 3 months ago
    the game seems NOT to be an "easy" game, but more for such, who enjoy challenges of taking down big enemies..... with many save spots (but no "save everywhere" option), .. reading between the lines, the game was too frustrating (or more frustrating/challenging than expected) for the reviewer

    hence the low-ish score

    (my opinion..)Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by Rai_The_Noblesse
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  • Avatar for bob-00 #220 bob-00 3 months ago
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  • Avatar for adiforka #221 adiforka 3 months ago
    I appreciate your review very much. Seems all common sense. Ain't it just crap to buy another game that the gros of reviewers praised only to find out it's exactly like you describe this one to be? This one is gonna go on sale soon enough, hopefully, and then it'll be time to see what's what.

    Thanks
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #222 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    @dudewhat They won't do that, as entertaining and fair as it would be. Far too many Nintendo loyalists here, writers and readers to even contemplate letting someone give a Zelda game a low score, even if it was based on the same criteria as Horizon.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #223 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @elquetefocka Bonuses? Do you see any other art medium doing this shit and critics bowing down to that?

    It sucks that big companies have shitty practices, but that is not the problem, nor it should be, of any critic or publication.

    No one owes the developers or the publishers anything. End of story. To bring up bad business policies due to Metacritic is absurd. They are not my problem nor theirs nor yours.

    So now you are saying that video game critics should operate on a completely different plane of existence than those of critics from other mediums, cause they owe it to the developers to get their bonus due to bad company policy?

    No, thank you.

    I defend the score regardless of whether I agree with it not, because the writer made her case and it was clear. She backed up why it did not click with her.

    I am telling you, I know I personally will disagree with her score. The things she disliked filled me with relief because I have a love/hate relationship with open world games and it seems I will enjoy some of the streamlining.

    I will still defend her score because I understand where she is coming from.

    You will never have a fair scoring system in the sense you are asking for. As long as you have multiple personalities reviewing games, it is never going to give you what you want.

    I know how almost everyone on this site reviews games. And each one is pretty consistent in their own reviews and their sensibilities, and even those change, because tastes can change, for good or bad. When Kat gives something a 3 or a 4, I know why by this point. I know what the things that make her tick are. Same with Mike, and Nadia, and Parish. That is where you see consistency.
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  • Avatar for SargeSmash #224 SargeSmash 3 months ago
    What... what just happened here?
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  • Avatar for dudewhat #225 dudewhat 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix

    I'm being facetious. I'd rather have Nadia review Horizon because it sounds like she's the type who would enjoy open-world games. I was making the point that if Caty used the same criteria when reviewing Zelda, we should expect close to the same score. Of course we won't because someone else will review it and give it glowing admiration for doing (probably) the same things that Horizon did.

    Reviewers are entitled to their own opinions, sure, but this review sounds like it came in with far too few reasons for the score that it has. "I don't like the story" and "The game gets repetitive" does not equal a 5/10 imo. The fact that the reviewer thinks it does, however, is what throws me off. I was hoping that Caty had done other reviews, just so I could compare her tastes, but it doesn't look like there's anything else.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #226 yuberus 3 months ago
    Well-written critique - gave me a good idea on what to expect out of this game. I really appreciate the highlight of narrative dissonance - that always bugs me in these games.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #227 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    @roadagen If there were more colorblind people in this world than people who could see color, that doesn't make one person's analysis of a dress more wrong than everyone else who only see a gray dress.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #228 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    IGN's new 8 Ways video has me sold on the game.
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  • Avatar for dudewhat #229 dudewhat 3 months ago
    "Aloy is everyone's reliable hunting cat, with people throwing constant mice at her feet to chase. I struggled to see why Aloy would go on these needless side tasks along the way of her ambitious quest."

    What kind of critique is that? Isn't every open-world game essentially the protagonist doing stuff for people without asking why? By her standards, The Witcher 3 should be getting a 3/5 because of people constantly telling Geralt what to do (even though, according to Caty, he fits the "role" of gopher better than Aloy).

    Her review basically boils down to "I don't like this story" "Aloy is sarcastic" "This is repetitive", and focuses on the aspects of an open-world game that most people enjoy (i.e. hunting/gathering, map expansion, side/fetch-quests, etc.) as if they're a bad thing. No mention of controls, skill-trees, combat in the review. Only a quick nod to the graphics and then the rest is "I don't understand why I'm helping people even though I'm an outcast" 2.5/5.

    It's a lazily written review at the end of the day.Edited February 2017 by dudewhat
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #230 nadiaoxford 3 months ago
    Everybody, belt down at least two drinks with lunch today.

    I insist.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #231 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    This is disappointing. There's nothing here that would allow me to be an informed buyer. All it tells me is that the writer isn't fond of the genre the game is in.

    No matter how well-written such a review it, it's still a poor review that can't properly inform prospective consumers.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #232 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @mariorodgers But seeing something as, say, blue when it is in fact green, does not MAKE it blue.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #233 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @Modern-Clix It obviously matters whether or not she used different tactics. Having a lot of options available to you, never using them, and then complaining that the one method you DID use was boring is not a sign of a good reviewer.
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  • Avatar for Gaminggumper #234 Gaminggumper 3 months ago
    @brionfoulke91 I think the issue most have with this review is that she addresses the concerns many were concerned about, but appears to have had a different experience than many other review sites.
    Along with that the review spent so much time discussing the open world, there was little to no time given to the rest of the game.
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  • Avatar for ek99 #237 ek99 3 months ago
    @Derblington Hey. You bring up some good points, but your overall one seems to be that the reviewer didn't provide enough info, specifically about game mechanics. I guess that's true (although I'd say that a lot of critics, including IGN, GameSpot, and so on, didn't provide critical info on the things that are important to me either). My argument, however, is that narrative critique does matter, especially when the game puts so much of it in front of your face. We have a tendency today to brush it aside and maybe that was the case in 1995 action games, but today, and especially with games like Horizon, when you sit through hours of cutscenes and the entire "campaign"/gameplay experience is woven intricately into all these detailed story events, then it seems ridiculous that most people still treat the narrative bits with an old fashioned mindset.

    In any case, most of the hustle in the comments section isn't happening because Caty gave little info, but because she gave the game a 5/10. Except she gave that score based on not only the obvious aspects of storytelling (characters, plot, etc), but how they permeate throughout the entire gameplay experience. And also, she grades the gameplay too, quite extensively. (Gameplay and game mechanics are related, but are not the same thing). She says that the sidequests, a significant aspect of the game, feel "repetitive and pointless." That's a major and valid complaint (if it's true). She also describes the nature of the side missions in greater detail. After that, she talks about her dissatisfaction with the main quest, which is another major aspect of the game. She says that the main missions are claustrophobic and full of arena battles and that the last 15 hours of the game "slogs at a painfully slow pace," and that the narrative experience is eventually based on info dumps. Again, if true, this is all really valid and important criticism.

    So let's see. According to the reviewer, the side missions are repetitive and feel pointless, the main missions are disappointing from both narrative and gameplay experiences, while the best parts (the non-mission sandbox exploration parts) happen in between these two very large chunks of the game. Finally, she says the visuals are beautiful and are best of any PS4 game she's seen.

    Sounds like a 5/10 to me. I mean, if both side and main missions of the game are that disappointing and probably, what, 50%-70% of the game, then what kind of score would you expect the reviewer to give? I agree that she could've given more details, but I think if these are her opinions, then the score makes sense. I also really value this review because it gave me a critique of things that really matter to me but that the other major review sites did not cover.

    Thanks for your opinion and reply!
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  • Avatar for ClickBaitSite #238 ClickBaitSite 3 months ago
    @xnoob12 Another great point. As for The Withcer 3, most of the quests were pointless fetch quests or quests to go slay the same repetitive monsters. It got so bad that I got tired of it and never finished the game. The game was glitchy, had terrible combat and mediocre gameplay. Garolt was also monotone with no personality so I don't see the problem with Aloy. Horizo is what TW3 should have been and more. It has all the strengths and none of it's weaknesses. So it's strange that a person who likes TW3 dislikes HZD.
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  • Avatar for ClickBaitSite #239 ClickBaitSite 3 months ago
    @The-Fool So an 88 on Metacritic means you do not need the game now, because of this one irrelevant review? You can play BoTW on WiiU and save money. It's just another Zelda game anyway. I like Zelda, but Horizon is what I want in a "real" next generation Zelda so I am no longer interested in Zelda since it would have sold the WiiU to me, but Nintendo dumped it for the Switch and I moved on.
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  • Avatar for ClickBaitSite #240 ClickBaitSite 3 months ago
    @ek99 Sounds like The Witcher 3 to me. Every other site has disagreed with her on Horizon. They all praise the quests, with people like GhostRobo saying they have more meaning than most similar games. So either she just has something against these type of games or she is completely off? Notice she is the only one with those opinions on the game and gave it the only mediocre score. This is not something split like The Order 1886 or Ryse where the scores are all over the place. How can you explain that? One has to wonder when this is the only mediocre review out of almost 80. This is why she is getting heat and it's well deserved. This game has the best gameplay in the genre in history, but she thinks it's mediocre? Ok. LOL.
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  • Avatar for ClickBaitSite #241 ClickBaitSite 3 months ago
    @Rocjames77 Yeah I absolutely agree. A review should be based on what the game is, how well it is designed and how everything works. Personal taste and how into a game or not into it you are should not be a factor. Then it becomes biased and taints the review. The media is supposed to be impartial. I don't like Call of Duty, but I would not give it a 50%, because it is well designed and all of the mechanics work well. It's just not my taste, but it's not mediocre by design. broken games like Skyrim and Fallout should be considered mediocre,yet both are constantly praised.
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  • Avatar for DrCorndog #242 DrCorndog 3 months ago
    24 hours later, people still don't understand how others can have opinions that differ from their own.
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  • Avatar for ClickBaitSite #243 ClickBaitSite 3 months ago
    @Rocjames77 LOL on that we will have to disagree. I loved the Bloody Baron quest though. I just got tired of monster hunts, clearing out bandits and searching for the missing wagon quests.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #244 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    What, precisely, is so "broken" about Skyrim?
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #245 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    @nadiaoxford Sounds like you're starting to regret letting this review get posted? Have an extra drink for me, I don't need any. You're gonna need a few if you plan on sticking around to read the storm you helped create and make passive aggressive comments :)
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #246 Roto13 3 months ago
    @RATTLEDTHEOX She almost certainly only regrets the existence of you and your sad little fanboy friends.
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  • Avatar for Kezz #248 Kezz 3 months ago
    First time on your site. Made an account because I will now start looking at your reviews more often since you are apparently one of the few who makes reviews based on reality instead of sheep mentality or fanboism.

    This game always looked to me to have dull combat and to frankly be some sort of clone to tomb raider like games where you fight dinosaur robots or whatever instead of wolves or whatever. Its literally a reskin but worse. But hey, if its a ps4 exclusive lets all give it 10s or the fanbois will judge us!

    Anyways, glad to see your more realistic opinion.
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #249 Whinybabyclub 3 months ago
    @Roto13 I've been a member of the site for quite awhile now. I'm not a fan boy, I'm calling out a bad review by a bad reviewer. I'd do the same for any game that has overwhelmingly positive reviews and one sour puss that decided to write a bad article. I'll call that out all day. Sorry if my existence bothers you, not all of us enjoy seeing lazy journalism followed up by smarmy comments from a member of the staff.
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  • Avatar for Kezz #250 Kezz 3 months ago
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    Were in a day and age where people are literally afraid to give a ps exclusive a bad score. People rather shut eyes on the bads of the game and literally pretend they are good by desperation to prove the ps4 as a better machine. Its sheep mentality and pathetic as heck. Anyone with half a brain who isnt a total ps4 supporter can see plainly by any footage on this game that its a dull as heck tomb raider kinda clone with no originality except changing the wolves into robo-dinos (is that really original? why not make them smurfs next....)

    its beautiful, everyone with eyes will agree....that does not make it original or good.

    im sure its entertaining to a certain extent but this game will fall out of everyone's memory in 2 months and never been heard of again except at bestbuy in a bargain bin.
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  • Avatar for Jericho-GM #251 Jericho-GM 3 months ago
    @ek99 Great post, and I actually agree with most of what you said about the missions and the story. And for people who plays games primarily for their plot, I can see why this review is sufficient enough for them.

    I think the problem though is that everyone plays games for different reasons. I mean, you don't play Mario or Monster Hunter for their story, right? And I don't think anyone gave Link any flak for helping a woman with her chickens when he should be out saving the world.

    The only thing that ever interested me about HZD is finding beautiful robotic animals and hunting them down. Naturally, I was looking for that aspect of it in this review and was disappointed that I got so little of it. What's the hunting system like? Combat? Crafting? Weapon variety? What's the AI like? Variety of animals?

    I mean, sure, it could be boring and fail on that level too but I wouldn't know that just by reading this. By not being thorough enough on her review, Caty doesn't inform people on aspects of the game that they might like.

    "In any case, most of the hustle in the comments section isn't happening because Caty gave little info, but because she gave the game a 5/10."

    That's why those types comments you don't bother with.
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  • Avatar for Jericho-GM #252 Jericho-GM 3 months ago
    Now that I think about it, this seems like a reductive walking simulator review in reverse.

    Obviously, the main draw of this game is the robots and the hunting system and the mechanics of it. Instead this review focused on the story and the characters.

    It's like taking an adventure game like Gone Home, whose primary draw is the story and the characters, and reviewing it with a focus on the gameplay. Hence, the derogatory "walking simulator" remarks.

    Don't get me wrong, though. I love point and click adventure games. Just thought it's a weird thing to point out.
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  • Avatar for Modern-Clix #253 Modern-Clix 3 months ago
    @elquetefocka That's great. You don't have to. But I'm saying that's how it operates in the real world in almost every other artistic medium. I say this from both personal and professional experience. It's the way it goes. You don't have to like it, and that's fine, but the reality is that there is a reason most respected literary journals don't follow the standard you want. It's absurd.

    But hey, you do you. This comment section has beaten the dead horse.
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  • Avatar for Derblington #254 Derblington 3 months ago
    @ek99
    I didn't say story wasn't important and I've not referred to the opinions in the comments, I don't care about that. I'm talking about the content of the review itself, or lack thereof.

    Look at the guides on the front page: loot, skill trees, weapon mods, enemy tactics, etc. None of these things are mentioned in the review at all. Why? The reality is that this review is poorly constructed and glosses over 80% of the game. We simply don't know enough about the game from the text to base an opinion on whether it should be played or how that's done.

    I appreciate that story is important to you and I'm not taking anything from that (it's important to me too), but it's one of the least important individual aspects of a game. "Narrative" is all aspects of game design combined. Have a read of this for a better understanding of how it all plays together from a design perspective: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ThomasGrip/20140429/216467/4Layers_A_Narrative_Design_Approach.php
    Reviewing that aspect alone is incredibly poor and really serves very few players, if any - we're not talking about a book. Even yourself, who seems to care very much about storytelling, would struggle to love it in a game that was built so badly that it was an absolute chore to interact with. I'm not suggesting we ignore it (though for many it is understandably ignorable in their own play styles), just that a review should analyse and critique all disciplines of game design present in order to fully deliver an informative guide.

    Many of the conclusions you draw from the review text seem to be constructed from your own interpretation. Spending 10 paragraphs talking very loosely about the character's motivation and attitude, as well as vague mentions of pacing and structure still isn't particularly informative or balanced, and I certainly can't gauge that the game is 5/10 material without knowing the construction and feedback of the gameplay loops, mechanics and systems that literally define everything about the interactive experience, including how the questing is actually played. That is the sad extent of what is missing here, story is the layer that goes on top.

    There's little mention of positives other than overall visuals and the 4 sentences that I previously mentioned and quoted, and certainly no "extensive grading of gameplay". Check out the first 8 paragraphs of the For Honor review for what that actually looks like - it's a superb breakdown of mechanics and control, which is then built upon by the content provided (character classes and game modes), layered with the reviewers actual experience in the title.

    Even her criticism of the mission structure and arena combat encounters are lacking important detail - there's no definition of what they actually consist of, nor relative to the open-world hunting that populates the rest of the game (again, no information at all about this seemingly massive aspect of the title, that all promotional material and preview write-ups have been entirely focused on!?).

    Again, I'm not interested in the score Caty has awarded, it's the least important part of a review for the consumer and only ever relevant in relation to the review body. It's the words that matter but without the context of the design itself the opinion is irrelevant. It may as well just say 'the story was shit and I didn't like it' because it really doesn't teach us anymore than that.Edited February 2017 by Derblington
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  • Avatar for chaoticBeat #255 chaoticBeat 3 months ago
    all in all you're just another brick in the wall...
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  • Avatar for chaoticBeat #256 chaoticBeat 3 months ago
    @FosterRules "whiny negative babies---" stop. Yep, you're on the wrong site. :(
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  • Avatar for timelessgamer #257 timelessgamer 3 months ago
    "I struggled to see why Aloy would go on these needless side tasks along the way of her ambitious quest."

    LOL! Have you ever played a RPG before?
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  • Avatar for brionfoulke91 #258 brionfoulke91 3 months ago
    @Gaminggumper Well maybe that's true. But let me tell you the problem I have with most review sites today... they don't have enough time to review games properly. And because of that, they tend to be bandwagon jumpers, and try to fulfill expectations rather than review the game for what it is. For example, look at the first Tomb Raider reboot... when it first came out, it universally was praised by review sites. It took about a month for the backlash to happen, when people started point out all of the obvious problems with that game.

    Maybe that's true with this game as well. Are all the good reviews because the game is actually good? Or because there was an *expectation* that the game will be good, and reviewers are just telling people what they want to hear? This happens way too often today.

    So that's why, for me, the fact that this game is getting mostly universal praise from review sites just doesn't mean much.
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  • Avatar for AndreasStalin #259 AndreasStalin 3 months ago
    Having yet to play the game I know nothing about its quality or lack there of, but still i will praise the reviewer for having the integrity to give a new triple A title a different score than 8/10. Well done.
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  • Avatar for CheckD3 #260 CheckD3 3 months ago
    I'm very curious. Not because of the mostly negative review. Working for Blockbuster in past taught me that regardless of quality, someone will, and someone will hate, any piece of media.

    My curiosity comes with the play time. Based on the review, it was stated that 30 hours were put in. The game seems to have a large amount of content, but my question is this.
    If not for the review, would you have completed the game? Would you have put 30 hours, heck, would you have put in half that, 15, if not for it being a game you were going to review?
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #261 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @DrCorndog That's not the problem at all, and you know it. That's a simple way to excuse the valid issues people ARE bringing up. If the writer seems tired of open world games, or not a fan of the genre, those are legitimate gripes. If there isn't much detail on the different weapons or tactics, if the combat is more than running around shooting arrows but the writer never addresses that, that's a legitimate gripe.

    To treat these things as if they're just people not liking a different opinion is disingenuous.
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  • Avatar for ek99 #262 ek99 3 months ago
    @Derblington Alright, let's be fair. The review says a lot more than "the story was shit and I didn't like it." It covers two major, major portions of the game: side missions and main quest. It provides details regarding why the side missions are disappointing, even providing a specific example, and explains why the main missions are lacking. "Claustrophobic corridors" and "repetitive arenas" give me a pretty good idea of what the critic is talking about. I already agreed with you that the review would be better if it covered details of game mechanics. However, if you really, truly want to know about those functions you can look at any of the dozens of YouTube pre-release videos that came out weeks before the game went gold, and post-release videos. What none of them including the mainstream review sites cover is the stuff that's addressed in this review. IGN, Gamespot, etc., all gave pretty in depth descriptions of how game mechanics work and that's good, but they provided little explanation about the side missions and the main quest, other than that it's "gripping" or something. How descriptive of them.

    As far as the importance of narrative goes, there is no universal value system for which aspect of a product is more important than another. It's up to every individual consumer. Other critics mostly skimmed over the narrative, this one made up for it, so I think that's fair.

    Caty likely represents a smaller but still sizable segment of the target market which looks at the same product you do but from a different perspective. In that sense, it adds balance to the score. In the end, if you're a game mechanic focused consumer, you'll be going to IGN and similar mainstream review outlets instead of this one anyway.

    Once again, this entire argument is happening only because this Caty gal gave the game a 5/10. If she would've written a dissertation there still would've been an uproar.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #263 yuberus 3 months ago
    @DrMatta Guerilla's hard work or whether or not they get a bonus isn't really anything a critic should be worried about. The critic's job is to critique what they like or didn't like about what they are reviewing, be it a movie, a book, a game, etc. Reviews are inherently subjective. If you want a product breakdown you can just hit up Amazon's product description. If you want to read what someone else thinks of X, then you can read that person's review of X. You may not agree with it or think it's an unfair review, but them's the breaks when you're talking about criticism. I didn't agree with everything Roger Ebert or Gene Siskel wrote about movies, but I certainly wasn't going to declare that they were bad at their jobs or doing it wrong, nor did it mean that they were malicious towards the hard work of those movie crews. It just means they didn't like it, and I didn't necessarily agree with them.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #264 yuberus 3 months ago
    @ek99 Also let's be fair, calling a game "average" should not be a death sentence. I don't know why everyone thinks the rating scale should only be 8-10, but if you're going to use numbers you may as well use all the numbers, in which case 5 isn't great, nor is it bad. It's just a perfectly okay, if particularly flawed, game.

    I'd rather no numbers at all, personally.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #265 yuberus 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp no, I read the review. I care about the same things she does so even though I was looking forward to this, I'm really glad she addressed all the things she did. I saw praise mixed with complaints, all valid. So if she's fine with a 2.5 then hey, so it goes. I'm not sure why you're taking it so personally that one reviewer didn't worship a game you had nothing to do with.

    And yeah, maybe you find the music great and memorable, but that is entirely subjective. She did not find it great or memorable, and said as much.
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  • Avatar for Derblington #266 Derblington 3 months ago
    @ek99

    If you have 20 minutes, just listen to Brandon Jones talking about this game on Frame Trap (I've time stamped the start, and as soon as he mentions SuperHot it's over):


    He has the same criticisms as Caty, and I'll quote:
    "It makes sense that this is their first- leaning more towards the realm of role-play, that the role-playing aspects of this are not that great. The story itself is good, it's just the way the story was told, the pace of that and who I was introduced to, and what I was told to place importance on and when, didn't really line up with what I was actually interested in. It really didn't take until the very end to be like 'wow, you guys did lot of work on this and you actually did create an interesting story', and one that will stand for the franchise".

    But just listen to everything else he talks about that clearly influences every part of the game. That's what gameplay does, hence why it's the most important part of a 'game'. It doesn't matter where one personally rates the importance of story on a scale - they must support one another on a basic, logical level otherwise the narrative becomes disconnected. You cannot purely isolate story in a videogame review. You could do a specific 'story review' but the review text in this piece is not labelled as anything other than a complete product review (as per the purpose of the site), and therefore is not an accurate reflection of the product. You seem to be suggesting that it's ok that it only covers this one aspect because other reviews often don't comment on story as in-depth as they could. Ignoring that story in gaming is rarely more than rudimentary and offers little of meaning other than basic motivation for the protagonist, one wrong doesn't justify another. Push for better, don't accept poor evaluation everywhere.

    I'd genuinely be amazed if, after listening to Jones detail the weaponry, enemy design and tactical options, that you didn't have more thoughts about Caty's, quite reductive, comment about the "repetitive arenas", for example, hence my comments about her few criticisms of gameplay also being quite vague. Are the aforementioned combat aspects removed from the questing areas? Are the questing areas fully separate from the open-world design? Did the reviewer attempt to tackle them using different approaches?

    I disagree about your assertion that I would/should go elsewhere for reviews that offer a complete critique on all aspects of a title. As I mentioned, that is one of the purposes of this site and other reviews here are quite capable of providing it: read the For Honor review for a clear night-and-day difference that highlights a real quality evaluation. It's fantastic in conveying what the game *is*, and therefore whether any individual consumer would be suited to the product. This review simply doesn't do that; it's a review for an open-world game that doesn't actually tell us anything about that open-world or the content within it (not a single mention of the different creatures, behaviours and systems), other than that it's packed full and the best reason to play it.

    Also, again, I'm not talking about score or Caty's opinion, for that matter - I'm perfectly ok with people disliking games. I don't like certain popular franchises, and as a developer (not for Guerrilla!) I'm well aware that you simply can't please everyone. Nor should you. What I'm interested in are the why's. I don't care about the number here other than that it piqued my interest as to the reasons that the reviewer would award it. So I read the review and found that it didn't really provide enough information in terms of delivering an informative and balanced critique. I don't care why any posters are irate about the score, or making daft claims about platform bias either.

    I'll bow out at this point as I know I'm talking in circles. Take a listen to the FrameTrap discussion; it's quite entertaining without being too spoiler heavy (there's an embargo on a lot of the story beats and they can't say too much pre-release anyway).Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by Derblington
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  • Avatar for Jericho-GM #267 Jericho-GM 3 months ago
    @ek99 "In the end, if you're a game mechanic focused consumer, you'll be going to IGN and similar mainstream review outlets instead of this one anyway."

    That's not true. Just read any other review here and you'll know it's not true. I personally only go to USGamer (no bull. I love these guys). To say that if I'm interested in a game mostly because of its gameplay that I go to IGN instead is not helping anyone, especially not Caty.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #268 yuberus 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp Of course it was posted deliberately. She was tasked with reviewing the game and didn't think it was that great, and posted her review as such. The simple explanation is the right one. Good for your girlfriend liking the song too I guess, but that's not really relevant to someone else's opinion.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #269 yuberus 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp Well there's a few things to unpack here. 1) She played the game for some 30+ hours, so obviously she's pretty well informed on the game. 2) Her mention of the music was that she didn't find it memorable, which is an entirely valid critique for a review. 3) Obviously she didn't see the Foley work as worth mentioning one way or the other (and to be honest, that is the ideal for sound effects). 4) You don't know that this is one of the best games ever made because it isn't out yet, you haven't played it, and the 70+ year history of video games is littered with "best games ever made" that didn't hold up to time and scrutiny. Prejudging something based off of previews and hype is, once again, not the job of the critic, nor should it be a practice anyone goes in for. 5) it's spelled "paid."
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  • Avatar for Rai_The_Noblesse #270 Rai_The_Noblesse 3 months ago
    @LongMuckDong

    agree, seems of if the reviewer didn't enjoy the game / had some issue(s) with it...

    the game seems NOT to be "easy", some fights are not simple "run to an higher vantage point" or "find weak spot" and than just burn it (like some other Open world games on "normal")...

    but seems, some battles are more "complex/strategic" than expected . and since you can NOT save anytime/everywhere (like with some other open world games, like Bethesda), it might be more "frustrating" than expected for such an open world game (Fallout 4, TW3, FC Primal)

    reading between the lines, the game possible more frustrating than the reviewer bargained for (when games are more "difficult" than expected, reviewers can get frustrated, trying to meat dead lines..., seen this happen enough times with good, but more difficult than expected games.)

    hence the low-ish score

    (my opinion..)
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #271 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @yuberus Then the simple explanation is that she failed in this review, because she failed to adequately address multiple aspects of the game.

    There's a healthy amount of time spent on what she didn't like, or what she thought was bad. But, as has been stated, there's little to no exposition on things done well. There's no depth in anything beyond what she didn't care for.

    "Each species of machines brings forth a completely different fight, prompting you to aim for weaknesses, strike their weapons until they detach and you can use them against their owner, destroy energy reservoirs causing massive explosions, and many more variations."

    Taken from a different review.

    Where is anything like that in this one? She seemed to get bored with the combat, but she also glosses it over as being mundane and unvaried. Yet in any other review, that's far from the case.

    "There are three different skill trees that you can unlock gradually when leveling up: Prowler turns you into a better prehistoric ninja, Brave improves your face-to-face combat skills, while Forager focuses on utilities like gathering and salvaging.

    There are no classes, and you don’t need to choose a single tree, allowing you to pick your skills as needed."

    Another bit from the same review.

    Where's Caty's description of the skill tree? Does she even acknowledge its existence? A quick "ctrl+f" search tells me she didn't. Stealth gets a single mention in PART of a sentence. Traps aren't talked about at all. All these things are integral to the gameplay, to the battles she says are boring, and yet there's virtually no mention of them. That's a failure as a reviewer, when you're talking about a game with as much combat as this one has.

    It's well written, but it's just not a good review.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #272 yuberus 3 months ago
    @j.j.barrington Could be she isn't someone who cares to go into detail on mechanics so much as on other aspects of the game. Maybe those are things that are important for you, but me personally? Eh. I know I kill robots with specific arrows and can hack them, and that's the extent of the detail I care about. Reading about the minutae of the leveling system sounds incredibly boring. I've also read reviews that mentioned that combat encounters get repetitive as you go through one of a few different motions. So it goes.

    She addressed topics that I think are important and underserved in most reviews of games, and for that i find it refreshing and interesting. Again, not hard to find information on how a game plays, but the context, how it balances its mechanics with whatever story its telling, these can be important if part of the game's selling point is its story. To put it another way, information about the gameplay loop is pretty good if I'm looking up information about Tempest, but if we're talking about something like this I'd rather have some idea, some explanation of why my character would be doing these decidedly out-of-character things. Otherwise it's just not so fun.
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  • Avatar for goopy20 #273 goopy20 3 months ago
    Everybody has their own opion, of course, but this seems pretty low just to get some views. I mean how many people in this comments section never visited usgamer before until they went to metacritic to check the score? Also, how come the author of this review doesn't seem to have written any other review before? Anyways, the game seems to have delivered on it high expectations according to the established gaming review sites, so nothing to worry about folks.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #274 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @yuberus "Could be she isn't someone who cares to go into detail on mechanics so much as on other aspects of the game."

    It doesn't matter what she cares to do. She's not writing the review to let herself know if the game is worth a buy. She's writing it to inform others of that.

    "Maybe those are things that are important for you, but me personally? Eh. I know I kill robots with specific arrows and can hack them, and that's the extent of the detail I care about."

    Considering those details determine whether or not you struggle or have an easier time fighting, whether or not you enjoy combat or find it a chore, that's pretty stupid of you(take offense if you want). A good reviewer should make note of those things, whether it's something they're particularly interested in or not.

    "Reading about the minut[i]ae of the leveling system sounds incredibly boring."

    It's not like she'd have to map out the whole damn skill tree. Lacking even a single MENTION of it, however, is an oversight. It's as simple as "True to such games, there's a skill tree with three branches that you can learn from. Each one emphasizes a different method to approaching battle. Some skills are more useful than others, and unlike many games, you're not locked into a specific path." Is THAT too difficult? Would those handful of sentences be enough for you to label them "incredibly boring?" If so, I can't imagine a game that runs about 30 hours long is brief enough for you, so maybe this isn't the game for you, anyway.

    "but the context, how it balances its mechanics with whatever story its telling, these can be important if part of the game's selling point is its story."

    Then surely actually ADDRESSING THE MECHANICS is important, but here you are, defending her failure to do just that.

    "some explanation of why my character would be doing these decidedly out-of-character things."

    No, you really wouldn't. Not unless you were deliberately looking for some reason to find fault. Open-world games, to a one, can all be looked at as "Why would this character ever bother to help out these strangers?" To harp on about that is utterly petty and asinine.

    And, frankly, that's what both this review and the defense of it come off as. There are no serious reasons to be SO stuck on the motivations for the character doing side-quests for people she hardly knows.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #275 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @otherZinc Get outta here, Xbox fanboy. Why are you even bothering to comment? Oh, because this is exactly what you want: a poor score for a PlayStation exclusive. How sad you must be.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #276 yuberus 3 months ago
    @j.j.barrington There are if you care about narrative in your game.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #277 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @yuberus I DO care about narrative in my games. It's why my favorite genre is the JRPG, and why I love visual novels: I'm a sucker for good characters and story.

    However, especially as a reviewer, that's no excuse to gloss over the rest of the title. If you're not capable of looking past a genre trope in order to give impressions on other parts of the game, you're not fit to be a reviewer, and you're not much of a gamer, either.
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  • Avatar for Machocruz #278 Machocruz 3 months ago
    Well, well, well. Another emperor has no clothes, AAA predetermined "masterpiece" that is as banal, boring, and brainless as the last 5. Only a big deal in Sony fanboy minds and the fishbowl/echo chambers of video game forums. Most of the game playing world doesn't care about this game or what scores it receives. No one will be talking about it in a couple years. Good review.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #279 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    @Machocruz
    Yeah banal, boring and brainless, but you Xboners can go ahead and keep your Destiny and... what else is there again?
    Meanwhile I will play...
    Odin Sphere
    Uncharted 4
    Last Guardian
    Horizon Zero Dawn
    Bloodborne
    Project Diva Future Tone
    And any number of games that are just frankly more fun on the PS4.

    Tell me again how much the world cared about The Kinect.
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  • Avatar for Drachmalius #280 Drachmalius 3 months ago
    Just want to say thanks for not pulling any punches with this review. Just because it doesn't tow the line with what other reviewers are saying doesn't mean it isn't valid. I was leaning towards no purchase on this game already. But reading all of the reviews, including positive ones, just makes me more certain that this game isn't for me.

    At the end of the day a review is based on opinion. Games are subjective and this reviewer did not enjoy their time with the game. I've heard accounts from others in the gaming media who played it and were underwhelmed too. This is normal. Very few games are universally liked or panned. This piece did what a review is supposed to do. It provided an account of the reviewer's time with the game, gave an opinion, and backed it up with well thought-out reasons for their opinion.

    Others might disagree, but I appreciate the honesty in this review. Thanks for being bold enough to run with it, US Gamer :)
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #281 mattcom26 3 months ago
    How about all the commenters ranting about the "man" who reviewed this so badly. Wow.
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  • Avatar for Bubb-Gump #282 Bubb-Gump 3 months ago
    Soooo For Honour gets 4 stars?

    According to that review it also has a bland story. Ok its an online multiplayer at heart. So shouldnt the fact that broken half the time affect that score? I like For Honour for sure but objectively it is currently poor due to to lame peer to peer lagfest that is frustrating the hell out of me!

    So shouldnt you be reviewing Horizon for what it is advertised for? In fact you fail to even mention that it is an ACTION-rpg! I see no mention of that, let alone any in depth analysis of what it is at heart, just as the other reviewer looked over the terrible story of For Honors crappy story mode because its a multiplayer at heart.

    Alot of other reviews out there talk about the story being lackluster but put in the perspective that it is hard to do in an rpg, unless you are the witcher, which is the standard. But even so most of the sites with this view are proffessional enough to recognise the best feature of this game is the action element, yet you barely mention it. You say you felt OP for the latter half of the game but dont tell us which difficulty you are on...Alot of the other sites are consistent in that its difficult but not overwhelming as long as your prepared for a fight tactically. Seriously its an Action-Rpg with no real break down of the action in the review. It comes across as a bash on the story, which may be justified, but the writer seems to have rpg fatigue, so couldnt be stuffed reviewing the other elements!

    This review is not informative enough, one sided and frankly lazy. It is either clickbait or just unprofessionaI.I would have no problem with the score if it was justified. And then you go on the podcast and your boss backs you up again with the same rhetoric. Im sorry but this seems dissapointing. Thought you guys were better than this.

    If it was bad reviewing... Ok but peoples voices of complaint should have been addressed. If it was clickbait... congrats on getting more views and in the process possibly stuffing up a 90 for a company that by all other accounts deserved it. I havent played it but it is rare to see such consitent and positive reviews. You should be ashamed of your laziness or greed. Either way im unsubscribing. Shame!
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #283 mattcom26 3 months ago
    @Drachmalius Thanks for saying this, though it should go without saying in a society that values diversity of thought. Anyone who has read USgamer regularly would never question the overall quality of their journalism. It's ok to disagree -- as they often do with each other. Nadia Oxford even commented here that she wouldn't let this review dissuade her from playing it.Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by mattcom26
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #284 mattcom26 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp Reviews are always framed in the personal, cumulative experience of the writer. There are no such thing as completely unbiased reviews -- the point is that this author didn't much like the game, and elaborated on why. What she did like about it she commented on, but she's also not obligated to make an essay of every point, because she receives the presumption that as a professional game's journalist she has a breadth of knowledge to back up the assertion. As with many, many instances like this, the comments are often where questions and elaborations take place with the readership.
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #285 mattcom26 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp "making it seem more important" -- you inserting your own opinion, which is fine (and my point); "you praise her for this" -- I did no such thing; "more fool you" -- no surprise which of us is reaching for names and insults. Have a nice day.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #286 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @mattcom26 When writing a review, your personal opinion and experience with the product is there to FRAME the review, not BE the review. You can write a review about something you hate- say, me and horror games- and STILL be able to give people who like that sort of thing an informed opinion.

    Not going over particular game mechanics because they're not important to you is a failing as a reviewer; your job isn't to write for people who only like what you like, but for anybody who happens to come across the review. As my English teacher said- paraphrasing someone else- your intended audience is NEVER your ONLY audience. This was written by someone who's apparently burned out on or doesn't like open-world action-rpgs, and was written as if other people who feel the same way are the prospective readers... but why would those people be reading a review about such a game in the first place?

    More and more people keep coming in to defend this review, and it seems none of them know what an actual review IS.
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #287 mattcom26 3 months ago
    @j.j.barrington There is no such thing as a checklist for what a review must cover or expand on. Reader expectation might indeed include more coverage of the mechanics, but this reviewer clearly felt so strongly that the repetitive gameplay and narrative issues were so significant that the rest of the picture wasn't important. This is her prerogative if that's the honest outlook she wants to convey to anyone who comes across this article. If I'm shopping for a car and a review that pans the engine performance, I'm not much going to care if they analyzed the sound system in detail. There is no way to write for every audience, and I personally value honesty above other aspects even if I disagree with the perspective of the author. I also don't read only one review if I want to be truly informed, because I know that reviewers do not always cover the same points or provide the same details. I look for differing perspectives to best form a broad interpretation of whether something is right for me. That includes taking arbitrary scores for what they are: arbitrary, just like an author's opinion.
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #288 mattcom26 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp Exactly, thanks for reinforcing my point -- I'm here for a different perspective. Just like I read the other (in this case positive) reviews for theirs. That doesn't mean I dismiss one or the other because it didn't average with the rest.
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #289 mattcom26 3 months ago
    Yup, but I was speaking figuratively about reviews at large, not on this site specifically, and not literally. Even so she commented on each point in the USgamer breakdown at the end of the article, and everything I spoke to regarded her prerogative to be as in-depth, or not, about those various components of the game.
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  • Avatar for ectorp #290 ectorp 3 months ago
    There was a discussion of the reaction to this review on the latest podcast (I can't find the page for it--otherwise I'd post this there). I just wanted to give my opinion (warning: probably worthless) in response to the discussion of 'what to do' about negative reactions to reviews: namely, nothing. You shouldn't eliminate review scores, or do anything else to placate the people who will criticize you for publishing your opinions. I'm really sorry if you're being harassed or otherwise unfairly targeted by people. That really sucks. But I think you should just stick to your guns. If your reviews never get under anyone's skin and never break from consensus, then you're probably not really being honest. I don't know if I will agree with Caty about Horizon, but it sounds like she's telling it like it is from her perspective. As a reader, I'm happy to see that, even if it contradicts my hopes and expectations about the game.
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  • Avatar for ectorp #291 ectorp 3 months ago
    @psychoticjp Sorry, I mostly meant to address Kat's remarks on the podcast about how to deal with negative reactions and harassment in response to reviews. I didn't mean to imply that you can't criticize a review or ask for more explanation about why the reviewer liked or didn't like something. I just think that this should be done respectfully and with the understanding that reasonable people will come to different opinions about the same game, and that that's totally fine and how it should be.
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  • Avatar for nonoy-romero7 #292 nonoy-romero7 3 months ago
    Thank you for the review, Cathy! I'm one of those bum who look for a site that's most critical about the game I'm thinking of buying. I'm from the Philippines and games here cost twice as much. I don't get the hate for low review scores (must be my age) but if you guys are really passionate about the game, just support it with your wallet. Reviews are handed out for free for us consumers not to appease fanboys
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  • Avatar for donstarlancer #293 donstarlancer 3 months ago
    @travisscott91 but the game doesn't come out until the 28th. Without trying it, how could you ever know how it actually stacks up?
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #294 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @donstarlancer That's not even relevant to what the guy said.
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #295 mattcom26 3 months ago
    @donstarlancer Cause the echo chamber is tuned to hype.
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  • Avatar for AstroDemon #296 AstroDemon 3 months ago
    Caty, I value your opinion and honesty about this game. Thanks for taking the time to pen a well-written review.
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  • Avatar for dgards #297 dgards 3 months ago
    Just because every other critic says something doesn't mean a thing.

    Fallout 4 for example currently has a critics Metacritic score of 87 (the same as Horizon) and that was lazy, bug ridden, PS3 quality cash-in of a game.

    The user reviews for FO4 are 6.5, 6.2 and 5.4 across all platforms, so it is safe to say the critics got it wrong. However the only critics who marked it a 5 or 6 out of 10 were totally slammed in comments sections like this before anyone had even played the game.

    I have a PS4 and I hope it is Katy who just wasn't feeling it, but I commend her for going against the consensus if that's how she felt.Edited 2 times. Last edited February 2017 by dgards
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #298 j.j.barrington 3 months ago
    @dgards By all means, make it seem like it's just the difference with other reviews that's the problem. Ignore just how much is missing from this review which makes it a poor review.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #299 mariorodgers 3 months ago
    @dgards Dragon Age has taught us that, like with Fallout, gamers hate it when a winning formula is messed around with. Horizon Zero Dawn is brand new territory.
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  • Avatar for Feenixx7 #300 Feenixx7 3 months ago
    LOL...Wow...someone doesn't like many games at all. In fact most of the things this guy says can be said about any game in that genre. The other reviews seem to love it.

    I bet this guy will love the Nintendo Switch though...but I will never know...this review told me all I need to know about his taste in games.
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  • Avatar for bobbykozakow83 #301 bobbykozakow83 3 months ago
    @dgards Reading the review it sounds more like she is just bored by this type of game. I mean it's like reviewing a hockey game and saying I think it is stupid they are on skates, and its boring watching the puck get hit around. This was more or less what I took out of here review.

    I have no problem with a difference of opinion, however a 50% score is the same score this site gave Double Dragon IV, a game that was kinda broken and not good. This kinda score is reserved for really bad or broken games. The context matters here. This review is out of line for the site and out of line based on other reviews.

    If 50% is your site score for what you call a boring game fine, games that are broken need to get 1 out of 5 or zero then. You can't have a 100% score for NBA2k17, a game I put 100 hours in and can tell you has broken AI and broken online (read the reddit of this game) or games like Star Fox Zero at 70%.

    The editor should have stepped in here. This review is way out of line with what this site does.
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  • Avatar for dgards #302 dgards 3 months ago
    @bobbykozakow83 That's a fair point - I am new to the site so I did not know if a 2.5 (50%) was common or totally out of context with the scoring of other games.

    I just saw a bunch of comments calling bullshit based on the fact this score was different to the consensus and I wanted to point out that there are plenty of instances like FO4 where it was the majority of reviewers who had been wrong.

    In this case I've read some well trusted reviewers who are giving this 5/5 so I don't think we have anything to worry about.
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  • Avatar for bobbykozakow83 #303 bobbykozakow83 3 months ago
    @dgards Yeah I agree, I don't have a problem with the review being different from other reviews or a low review. It is just absurdly out of the norm of other reviews on this site to the point an editor should have stepped in.

    A whole host of pretty mediocre games have gotten in the 7 range. The lowest review they give a game is around the 50% score this game received, and that is reserved for games that pretty much do not work. Games that are broken at the time of review such as Double Dragon got the same score, that is absurd.

    If 50% is your metric for a a game you find boring fine. But, be consistent. Don't rate bad games 70% and broken games 50% and then rate a game that the review admits is polished and technically very good, but finds boring and give it the same score you give games that are actually broken and unplayable.Edited February 2017 by bobbykozakow83
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  • Avatar for geovanecardo61 #304 geovanecardo61 3 months ago
    I think u r alone in the box...it seems like a hater
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  • Avatar for yuberus #305 yuberus 3 months ago
    @bobbykozakow83 you should probably note that this game and Double Dragon IV are not only completely different, but had completely different reviewers.
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  • Avatar for bobbykozakow83 #306 bobbykozakow83 3 months ago
    @yuberus Yeah I get that. A site should have some consistency with reviews though. If they get a reviewer how does not like a Dark Souls type of game and gives Dark Souls a 2 out of 5 because because they hate that genre that is a problem. People should have an idea what x score from x site means.
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #307 mattcom26 2 months ago
    @Wtfusgamer Because reviewers who voice opinions outside of the mainstream should lose their jobs. Yup that's fair. Thanks for stopping by with your fascist insights.
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  • Avatar for Kritikpunkt #308 Kritikpunkt 2 months ago
    I picked up the game yesterday, and after 3 hours of play I'm inclined to agree with what you wrote about the game. The dialogue is stale and "gamey", exposition is being dumped on the player unceremoniously, and Aloy lacks character.

    That said, a large portion of the game is spent in combat so far! After such little time playing it, I cannot tell whether it is good or bad, but I find it incredible that this review doesn't even touch on the combat mechanics. It seems illogical to rate and review a game purely based on its role-playing shortcomings, and to ignore this other aspect, which is at least equally relevant.

    So I don't necessarily disagree with the low rating, but I strongly disagree with the weighting of the aspects being rated.Edited March 2017 by Kritikpunkt
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #309 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    @Kritikpunkt It's too late. Only the fact that this review is not in line with 90% of the other reviews matters now. No credible critique will be taken into account.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #310 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    @mattcom26 Or maybe people who fail at their job and defend that failure rather than reflecting on it and rectifying the mistakes should willingly step down?
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #311 mattcom26 2 months ago
    @j.j.barrington It would never be classified as a "failure" to disagree with other reviewers. It wouldn't matter if this title won game of the century.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #312 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    @mattcom26 The failure is not in disagreeing with other reviewers. That you and others keep turning to that to defend this review is a huge problem in and of itself.

    This piece has failings. Not giving any info about the combat system is a failing. Not even bothering to mention the skill tree is a HUGE failing. These things should be acknowledged, but instead, the author and her supporters are doubling down.

    Whether it's game of the century or even of the day is irrelevant. The review- and its author- fails because it's lacking; you don't typically hear of people defending things they did wrong, and having people respect them. It's when they fess up that the respect comes.

    Sometimes, that comes with tendering your resignation. Which is not at all the same as "losing your job," but hey. Who cares about facts, right?
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  • Avatar for mattcom26 #313 mattcom26 2 months ago
    @j.j.barrington So if you and others who have taken to slamming the author, integrity of the website, using profanity, had seen a 4/5 or 5/5 at the end of the article, you still would have showed up with the same vitriol to talk about what she didn't detail in the review? Cause that's the real reason for the wash of negativity and personal attacks, and not the score which equates in short-hand to the author's opinion? Sure. Whether the review is lacking or not regarding specific detail is indeed a separate point, which I've already commented on. The author made a decision they are entitled to make on what to include, and the fact they didn't mention things you wanted to hear about doesn't mean that those aspects of the game weren't ultimately taken into account in the review score. It just means you didn't get those points from this review, and not that the review has a baseless score or they didn't play it. Attacking the author for not writing what you expected to see... they provided insight into the game that many have already commented they find valuable, and I myself will take it with a grain of salt like all reviews, read many and form my own opinion. What you won't see is me attacking the authors of any of them presuming I know how they should do their jobs to the extent I'm calling for their resignation. Childish.
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  • Avatar for MonkeyDSomething #314 MonkeyDSomething 2 months ago
    I rarely say , but...shut up, nerds.

    USgamer is not a clickbaity website reaching for hits through extreme scoring. It's a website comprised of veteran writers with an eye for writing and individual voice, and as such is the only gaming website I read.

    These are writers with opinions. Almost none of you have finished this game. Get off our damn site and go back to your damn scoring compendiums. Caty, thank you for giving YOUR review.Edited March 2017 by MonkeyDSomething
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  • Avatar for ridhuannaim #315 ridhuannaim 2 months ago
    I'm pretty sure this was just a click bait
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #316 mariorodgers 2 months ago
    Well Breath of the Wild is out and Eurogamer had a go at it.
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  • Avatar for arcendus #317 arcendus 2 months ago
    @The-Fool You seem to be the most level-headed and open-minded commenter to be found here, and for that reason I want to point out that your referring to other commenters as "kids" really conflicts with the fact that you're urging everyone to be civil. I have to imagine that someone of your intelligence understand that referring to someone as "kid" is condescending, and it's usually meant as an insult. I don't believe you meant it as an insult, but I do believe you allowed that urge to be condescending to get the best of you, and the reason for this response is that I think you'd appreciate the observation.

    In any case, and as always: make of it what you will.
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  • Avatar for estebangabrielnishiz #318 estebangabrielnishiz 2 months ago
    @J-Jizzle You should take EVERY review with a grain of salt. They're opinions It doesn't matter wether they're good or bad, they're still personal, subjective, opinions.
    People are different, they have different tastes. Do you live in robotland?
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  • Avatar for estebangabrielnishiz #319 estebangabrielnishiz 2 months ago
    @BlueSkyClouds Your grammar is worse, though.
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  • Avatar for jakeborrelli28 #320 jakeborrelli28 2 months ago
    THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one. Im absolutely baffled by the over the top "Greatest game ever on ps4" praise. its beautiful, and has its time of enjoyment but EVERYTHING else is overrated about the game. Its full of combat and mechanics that we have done and played before in many games for years. Nothing surprises me. Whenever I loot an item or an outfit I never find it to be necessary, it never gives me a feeling of understanding its importance. Shooting things with a bow gets old, considering just about every open world has a bow. The characters look cool with good face capture but I simply do not care what they have to say. Whats the point of the dialogue wheel?? I find myself skipping through half of it.

    Beautiful game to look at , and most importantly its fun...but holy crap is it overrated. Washed out repetitive already-used gameplay and world structure.Edited March 2017 by jakeborrelli28
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #321 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    Okay, so I've been playing about three hours. Haven't even proven myself yet.

    Traps are already very useful. Given that your first real challenge all but requires you to use the trapcaster, it's unforgivable to not consider mentioning its importance.

    As for the animals: I've already seen rabbits and turkeys and haven't even left the beginning areas to strike out on my own. Oh, and at least a couple of giant rats. But yes, boars and foxes are LITERALLY the only animals.

    Using fire arrows to blow up one machine and take out those surrounding it is great.

    If I'm finding these inconsistencies a few hours in, what more might I find by the time the credits roll?
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  • Avatar for docexe #322 docexe 2 months ago
    @Thetick Oh, there are measureable qualities in pretty much every creative work and art form in existence, that’s true. But even if you only focus on those aspects (the craftsmanship and “technical” aspects so to speak), there is still a subjective dimension at play if only because different critics tend to assign different weights in their evaluations to different aspects of a work. Even in academic circles, there are different schools of thought that consider certain elements of a particular work more important than others. For some, excellence or mediocrity in one particular element might be more than enough to trump or sink everything else.

    The fact of the matter that a lot of people simply refuse to accept is this: Creating art is not an exact science. By the same token, it’s unreasonable to expect that reviewing art should be an exact science too.
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  • Avatar for elliottlansdown-brid #323 elliottlansdown-brid 2 months ago
    So Eurogamer and USGamer are negative on this. Aren't both of these owned by the same parent company? I am not passionate about a negative review, but just saying it seems iffy ... oh and I am 10 hours into this game and loving the story, development, and mechanics - for me (personal opinion only) 9.5/10

    This and Torment:Tides of Numenera (on PC) have really kicked this year into gear, gamewise.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #324 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    Also saw a goose, and I think I saw a raccoon.

    But only boars and foxes.
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #325 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    @j.j.barrington Your earlier critiques of the review are fine, which is why they are still there.

    If you continue on this track however, you will join the other posts that have fallen by the wayside. Read the Code of Conduct. Take it to heart. And ask yourself if your current conduct is befitting your earlier posts and providing a useful service to the community.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #326 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    @MHWilliams The only reason it's continued is due to the dismissive attitude of the staff here, and the number of regulars who support them.

    I could be wrong, but I don't think there's been any effort to actually and publicly address the review's shortcomings. It's fine if her opinion of the game doesn't change, but particularly after being regarded as some sort of fanboy or something, it'd be nice to have FACT recognized.

    Or should I and many others be content that "we made our point," with not even the slightest indication that said point will be taken into consideration in the future?

    Would my "current conduct" invalidate my earlier posts? If no measures have been taken to address what I've said in either case, what's the difference? What does it matter if these posts fall by the wayside, if the more "mature" comments aren't treated any differently?
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #327 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    @j.j.barrington The review is as it stands. If you feel it's in error or lacking, you are allowed to say so in a civil manner. You have previously.

    Given your latter questions, I cannot tell you whether either course of action will ultimately matter. Your former posting style is given more weight with the community and the staff. The latter will eventually lead to a ban, at which point your posts will not exist at all. Which one you go with is up to you. I cannot give you whatever vindication you are looking for in this matter.Edited March 2017 by MHWilliams
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #328 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    @MHWilliams "you are allowed to say so in a civil manner."

    And what's the point if it's not addressed?

    "Your former posting style is given more weight with the community and the staff."

    How can I tell that? Few in the community ever remarked beyond the "just because it doesn't align with other reviews doesn't mean it's invalid" chant. As for the staff, this is the most genuine discourse I've seen... but only after my comments started to annoy. Is that what it takes to be recognized?

    "I cannot give you whatever vindication you are looking for in this matter."

    Now that's a bit sad. Were this journalism for something else- say, a newspaper- an apology or corrected publication would be the minimum expectation. But what you're saying is that the gaming public, unlike the public at large, should not expect their news outlets to own up to mistakes made and reported to them. I honestly hope I'm wrong in this conclusion, but I don't think I am.

    And if I'm not wrong, that represents a problem. Specifically, it'd be with this site, but as I'm certain that thought process exists at other outlets, it's more likely an issue with gaming media at large.

    It's not as if I'm asking for anyone to be fired and evicted. There is, however, no media outlet in the world that considers itself serious and yet does not allow itself to be corrected when wrong.
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #329 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    @j.j.barrington I mean, to be clear. You haven't gained much in a tangible way in either direction. Neither statement will change the presentation of this review. I'm unsure what sort of address you'd like in this matter.

    What we have is a situation where you feel the editorial should trend in another direction. You can make that point, in the say way you can make the argument that your favorite game should change in whatever manner. This does not dictate that the work will actually change; you've made your point and whoever is in charge of the work decides if they need to shift in direction.

    It seems you feel that Caty lied in some manner? That she did not play the game in question before writing a review and scoring it. Caty played the game, gave her honest review, and editorial stands by it. I agree on your latter point - serious outlets post retractions and corrections when they've released information that's not factual - but there is no "wrong" to correct here.

    If you have a problem with that, you can make your voice heard as you have been, but as I said above, any changes remain at the discretion of USgamer's staff. If you feel that's a problem, then there are numerous options available to you. I can't tell you which path you should take. I'd like to you continue being reader, but we also retain our editorial independence in this matter.Edited March 2017 by MHWilliams
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  • Avatar for richarddingle11 #330 richarddingle11 2 months ago
    I do not agree with this review at ALL! I respect everyone's right to their own opinion but if you cannnot see how Horizon evolves normal Open World Game tropes you are too jaded to even try anymore it seems. Not a single side mission in Horizon is meaningless.

    Gameplay wise the game incorperates several forward thinking mechanics that I till this point haven't seen done elsewhere.
    -Quick Save on same slot after already chosen, no need to go into a menu screen when you already know where I am saving it to. Also has auto save after each Mission bullet point update.
    -Insta Crafting: In the middle of battle you can craft more ammunition right on the weapon wheel. Eliminating need to go to a menu and do so.
    -Quest Marker actually gives you the roads guide to your destination. Not just vague direction like in Elder Scrolls or Fallout where you will end up slowly hopping up a mountain to try and reach the spot.
    -Climbing is streamlined like Uncharted, yet fast like Infamous. Yes, you have to find the highlighted (usually yellow or white) ledge but they are very obvious for a reason usually. Once you do, you can be at the top of the mountain in seconds.


    They crafted a very interesting system where every side mission has the purpose of teaching or honing a skill in gameplay or giving some sort of narrative. For instance you can MAKE side missions around building certain armor/weaponry where the game points you in the general direction of what you need to concentrate on to do so. Or Hunting Lodge missions that are teaching you effective ways of using your traps and weaponry. Or how even the "collect 3 rabbits" mission has a story world lore purpose of demonstrating the Nora Tribe's Shunning concept.

    The missions also seem to always be pulling you into a direction to fully explore the map as well as teach you a thing or two about the world that was. Every collectible in the game actually comes accompanied with an exerpt that allows you to get a little taste of what kind of world got wiped out.

    I won't say the story is shakespeare but I be damned if it isn't interesting. You say you can't bring yourself to care about it which is fine in one respect. Though if you don't like SciFi Fantasy this isn't the game for you anyway. Aloy is now one of my favorite characters in a long while. She is earnest, headstrong, a bit snarky, which comes together as a good character to play ass. Not to mention a total bad ass.

    To not be as smittin with the game as almost everyone else who has played this game is one thing, but in no way possible is this game a fucking 5/10. This review is was brought the overall average of Horizon down in Meta from 9+ range to 8 range. It is the lowest score by like a 2 point margin which is insane. Like many who just play too many games, you might be jaded on good concepts because it all now feels "been there, done that". Proclaiming this game is bad because it borrows concepts from other well know series does it no justice if you don't see how skillfully it utilizes those aspects. As someone who doesn't play every big title and def not every Ubisoft sandbox title, this game is refreshing in a multitude of ways.

    It isn't perfect by any means, but what game is? The dialogue dips into sophmoric at times but stays mostly at a high point after the intro tutorial level. Horizon is a def 9.5/10 for me.
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  • Avatar for richarddingle11 #331 richarddingle11 2 months ago
    Watch this site review Zelda BOTW with a 10/10 but ignore the fact its a 2017 game with PS2 level textures, janky animations, bad AA, load times, few voiced lines of dialogue, and a PLETHORA of fetch quest missions.....

    Not saying Zelda is bad, it is just odd how things that are used to tear down one game can go completely ignored in another. Zelda isn't 5 points better than Horizon, that is for sure. It just has a pedigree and Nostalgia blinds.
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  • Avatar for j.j.barrington #332 j.j.barrington 2 months ago
    @MHWilliams I don't know if you'd call it lies so much as (perhaps intentional) -mischaracterization. The whole of her impression on combat, for example, comes off as this.

    I'm only a few missions past Meridian, but I can't think of anything that comes close to being called a corridor, let alone corridor battles. Does it still count as an arena fight if you can leave the "arena" and still continue combat? Do the skills not have an impact on battle? Why aren't those mentioned at all? The tripcaster and traps prevent things from just being "running in a big circle, flinging arrows aimlessly." Does that even work when most of the things you attack can outrun you?

    The bit about the animals is so annoying because it seems so lazy. There are rabbits, fish, geese, turkeys, mice, boar, foxes, raccoons, rats, and who knows what else to hunt in the game. As I said, I'm not that far into it, so I imagine there's still more stuff to be found; how is it possible that I saw more in my first two hours than Caty did in her 30(the geese are recent, though, and I only killed my first fish yesterday, though they've been there the whole time)?

    The side missions she hates: they're often to find or avenge a loved one. Aloy knows quite well how that feels; wouldn't that be motivation enough? Wouldn't Rost's words to her before the Proving be reason enough? (Avoiding spoilers as best I can.) Some of them are outcasts like herself, struggling to make it when the tribe has shunned them; don't that hit close enough to home to be motivation? This world runs on Shards, so if Aloy wants the equipment necessary to tackle her destiny, she's gonna have to help people she doesn't necessarily care for to get those Shards; isn't that reason enough? To make it seem like Aloy would have no reasons is disingenuous, and VERY different from thinking the reasons aren't strong enough(though I think they are).

    If you're asking what I, specifically want, then an admission of oversight would be fine. I don't want Caty to change her opinion, but erroneous information should be corrected, even if it's just an *Update* note somewhere on the article. Is Caty aware that, for example, she was wrong about the types of animals?
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  • Avatar for marcusporter05 #333 marcusporter05 2 months ago
    You have this a 50%. This was a functioning game that you didn't like. I won't go into a diatribe like everyone else but you have No Man Sky a higher score and that game was incomplete and was buggy and crashed. The score does seem off even if you don't have a high opinion of the game or have all the facts of what's in the game.Edited March 2017 by marcusporter05
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #334 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    @richarddingle11 I reviewed Zelda, not Caty. I'd probably review Horizon higher than her.
    @psychoticjp The internal workings and bonus structure of a developer should not and will not affect the outcome of a review.
    @j.j.barrington I mean 'intentional mischaracterization' is essentially a lie. Do you feel that these other animals exist in proportion to the ones she mentioned? If I said "Zelda has no memorable music" and there were tracks you loved, would you count that as an error? If someone wrote about Assassin's Creed Syndicate:

    "Even the main missions, or ‘sequences’, are mostly forgettable. You know the drill: tail the man, stab the man, find the man, climb the thing, stab the other man."

    I'd count that as wildly divergent from my personal experience with the game. I think there's more nuance to the game than that. (Pulled from an actual review, mind you.) Likewise, I disagree vehemently with this review of The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt (http://www.gameskinny.com/7hpty/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-review) and how the review speaks of the game's size, pacing, narrative and combat. I'm willing to disagree with that reviewer in text at length. To say that they are lying or in error? No.

    I'm basically trying to understand the difference between 'intentional mischaracterization' and subjective experience. The difference between say Geralt being a convincing protagonist
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #335 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    @psychoticjp I was not going to address your shaky concept of the legal system, no. I don't feel it has much relation to this overall situation outside of saber-rattling.
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  • Avatar for daver #336 daver 2 months ago
    I gladly disagree with this review. How does this person actually qualify as a reviewer if all they can muster about the sound design is 'can't remember any of it'

    Your job description is to critique it!

    Next time let's have a professional please.
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  • Avatar for GamesAllDay #337 GamesAllDay 2 months ago
    Terrible review. You wonder why Aloy is helping randos when she was slighted all her childhood? It's because she no longer became an outcast and became one of them. And with her drive to find information about her past and gain vengeance (won't spoil it for others), it was obvious why she was willing to help the people who shunned her most of her life. Side missions in games are usually fillers. You don't have to do them, but if you skipped them, you might complain the game is too short. Plus, doing side missions help provide XP to unlock your abilities. So why wouldn't you complete them?

    The game does take many other game's mechanics but the difference is, it is done with more polish than the games that introduced them. It's easy to say wait, that's a rip off of game a, b, or c, or say, I've seen that before. No one complains about repeated formulas in shooters when they all play the exact same way. The key thing is the mechanics are executed properly in Horizon Zero Dawn. The only issue I have seen in the game is the very very random clipping of npcs. I have only seen it 2x thus far. Some people may not like the pathfinder navigation system the game has. I see that feature as a love or hate it system. The reviewer failed to mention anything on that. And the weapons are not useful? I disagree. The weapons are very useful depending on the threat Aloy faces. The weapon grade is done well in that the higher the grade, the more ammo types you can use. Crafting system is done well.

    I have played 20 hours or so of the game and I can say it's the best game out in 2017 so far, with so many other titles inbound. 2017 is off to a great start. There's also Nioh to check out.

    I would have thought the reviewer didn't play videogames, or don't like action adventure games in general. Had I listened to this reviewer, I would have missed out on a great game! There's a reason why this reviewer is the sole person with a mixed review rating, while other true professional reviewers provide far more details about the game and are positive on metacritic. While they are all opinions, I will always respect a review if the details of it is provided and unbiased. This review was lacking!!Edited 2 times. Last edited March 2017 by GamesAllDay
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #338 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    Further question to folks: Do you feel these reviews are equally in error? If so, why? If not, why not?

    https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/horizon-zero-dawn-is-a-roller-coaster
    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/02/horizon-zero-dawn-scribbles-a-to-do-list-over-a-po.html
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-19-horizon-zero-dawn-review
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #339 MyNameIsMe 2 months ago
    @MHWilliams Mike, you're quickly becoming one of my favorite game journalists.

    I'd like to comment on your question about the other articles that were critical of Horizon. Specifically, I'd like to talk about the Vice.com article. I STRONGLY disagree with the author's conclusion about the game. However, I respect the author's point of view and I feel the article was well written for a few reasons. First off, I clearly understand what the author didn't enjoy about the game. As I read through his narrative, there were many points where I said, "wow, I didn't have that reaction, but I understand how he got to his conclusion". For example, I found the gameplay loop highly satisfying. The reviewer did not. However, the author clearly explained how and why the gameplay loop became stale within the context of his whole experience. I was able to logically follow him through each step toward what he ultimately concluded as a unsatisfying combat experience. I don't agree with him, but I GET it.

    Secondly, the reviewer is aware of his audience and the caliber of game being reviewed. What I mean is that this is an absolutely gorgeous open world game with incredible polish, great production value, tight controls and is virtually bug free. A general understanding of that, some self-awareness, awareness of your audience, and the ability to put yourself in other people's shoes will temper the tone of even the most critical articles. It causes a reviewer to maybe exclude critiques that are more personal pet peeves and focus more on what they consider fundamental problems with the game. This article did that. So when he mentions something in passing that I find silly (like not having enough enemy variety) I find it easier to not get hung up on that detail and think he gave it a bad score for that little detail.

    I know that people have been losing their shit over this review. I just want to say that personally I think it's important to have different points of view in the industry. At the same time, a site that does critical analysis of a game needs to be able to take criticism (even harsh criticism) with grace and courtesy and without being sensitive or defensive. I don't think it's right to publish a review that takes a giant dump on a game that was the result of hundreds of people working hard for 1/2 a decade, and then be sensitive or dismissive to the number or types of critiques you get on that review. The initial response by USGamer to readers wanting clarity on this review was... Childish. On the other hand, the posts that you have been putting up recently in response to your readers have been well thought out, professional, and inclusive. So I'm glad you guys righted the ship.Edited March 2017 by MyNameIsMe
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  • Avatar for MHWilliams #340 MHWilliams 2 months ago
    @NTWHA I can agree that there needs to be room for the site to be responsive to the readership to a degree. I can also agree that perhaps the initial response to the criticism was dismissive.

    Those who have spoken civilly on the matter, your voices have been heard. I cannot say this review will be changed or altered, but any criticism has been weighed for further reviews in the future, as were your civil responses to past reviews.

    I don't know if that's enough, but it's the extent that can be offered.
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  • Avatar for jacobbullen97 #341 jacobbullen97 2 months ago
    Appreciate what you are saying but your comments do not reflect your score. 50 is too low and you know it.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #342 MyNameIsMe 2 months ago
    @MHWilliams I would never ask someone to change their opinion on a game, or a website to change a review score. I bought Final Fantasy XV based on Kat's review and I wish she was a bit more critical, because I feel that game is next to unplayable. So I'm down with reviewers being critical of a game.

    My posting/criticizing doesn't come from being a fan of Sony or Horizon, but rather comes from the fact that I'm a fan of this site. I think it's a unique voice in this industry that also has actual IN DEPTH articles and opinion pieces. I also can see that this site doesn't generate as much traffic as it could/should, and sometimes I find myself worrying that it might go the way of 1UP. So my main criticism is how you guys handled the backlash, because I felt it was a missed opportunity to increase your readership. I was thinking, "Man there are a TON of people coming here to read this article that have never come within a mile of this site, if they handle these first time visitors right they might get a bunch of new readers." When I saw that wasn't happening I started posting in the hopes that it might change. Anyways, I just wanted to be clear about why I've posted more in this thread than I have in all the years I've been coming to this site.
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  • Avatar for Mycroft_S85 #343 Mycroft_S85 2 months ago
    This review does not do justice nor being fair to the game. The technical achievement of this game alone is outstanding, and yet the reviewer put more emphasis on how boring the "open world" is. Also the inaccuracies and overall negative tone of the review. I am not even surprise if the reviewer actually never played an action-open world game before, or just simply hate it.
    This game deserves more and you guys know it.
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  • Avatar for adsturrz #344 adsturrz 2 months ago
    Having just finished the game I have to try and at least stand up for it here, it's horrifying that such an inaccurate review might actually completely put off people from trying this game.

    Repetitive side quests. I'm sorry but this comment just made me question whether the reviewer even had the right game. You say this is because they all involve tracking someone down or hunting someone. Your main character is a tracker. She calls herself a machine hunter for goodness sake. What you're calling "repetitive" is the character doing her job correctly.

    Even the example you give of the superweapon is the only side quest in the game that gives you one of these weapons. Hardly "repetitive".

    Your other example involves talking a young girl out of suicide, hardly "meaningless".

    Look at FFXV's countless fetch quests if you want repetitive. Look at any other RPG's "Fetch a nameless character's mail" for meaningless. Each side quest in Horizon introduces an actual character and a story to go with it. Some stories help fill in the lore about the Red Raids and the other clans of the game world like the Utaru.

    Personally I thought the side quests were quite balanced. They wouldn't always involve combat, and if they did it wouldn't always be against machines. Yes the Focus and tracking come into play a lot but this is inevitable with the character's role and I don't see any constructive alternatives anywhere in the review.

    That's just if we're talking about side quests, the side content as a whole: bandit camps, cauldrons( you listed as a positive), hunting grounds (where you're given tactical challenges using the game's various weapons which i'll get to in a second), seems to be left out of this review. They did a great job of keeping the number of side quests fairly low compared to the other activities available so you're not bogged down with an enormous list of things to do before moving on to another area.

    Combat. You say the weapons other than bows aren't useful. I'd have to instantly disagree here again, the Tripcaster was the most useful weapon in the game for me. Unless of course you're counting that as a bow, in which case the only things that aren't bows are the spear, and sling.

    I saw no mention of the use of elemental weaknesses, no mention of planning how to stealthy approach the enemy, setting up traps to plan out your battle. Instead you mention corridors and arena battles. I don't see any corridors, like any stealthy game you can use different routes to bypass enemies. As for arena battles, you are very rarely forced into a battle in this game. Battle is meant to be the last step after your stealth approach and use of traps.

    As for the increasingly larger enemies? The massive enemies are the Thunderjaw, Stormbird and Deathbringer. You get about three different versions of the Deathbringer and one encounter with each of the others during the main storyline. The other machines feature prominently, each with a unique design and different strategies required to fight it. instead of other games where you would get each enemy in increasing order of difficulty, Horizon does a good job of randomising things a bit. You'll still get weak enemies like Watchers and Scrappers towards the end and the Behemoth will randomly jump in after you've already seen the harder enemies.

    Another note that was missed from the review is the machine's seem to upgrade towards the end of the game, adding armor to their weaknesses so you cannot hit the canisters so easily and have to adjust your tactics.

    Story is just a matter of opinion. Personally I thought it was an interesting and innovative take on how to handle the end of the world and loved the way they chose to deliver it to the gamer.

    TLDR: This review seems like it's attacking the open world game epidemic in general and has chosen Horizon to be the example. You'll love getting to know the setting and meeting all the strange wild machines and learning how to destroy them.

    Please check out some other reviews of the game, this one is alone at the bottom of the spectrum.Edited March 2017 by adsturrz
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #345 mariorodgers 2 months ago
    I'm just sitting here watching LongMuckDong.
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  • Avatar for SkopSkiet #346 SkopSkiet 2 months ago
    @Kuni-Nino Did you ever buy the game? Because if you listened to this poorly written article then there is no hope.
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  • Avatar for SkopSkiet #347 SkopSkiet 2 months ago
    @marcusporter05 I literally think she doesn't like Open World Games. No Man's Sky a good Review? How?
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #348 mariorodgers 2 months ago
    I happen to enjoy No Man's Sky.
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  • Avatar for johnsantos36 #349 johnsantos36 2 months ago
    Thanks for this review Katy! It has been really informative for me. I've always wondered why this game was getting perfect scores on other websites and thought to myself why this game appeared to be flawless. Now this review made me think twice about buying this and will, instead, buy Nier: Automata. I won't be drawn by hype. Kudos!
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  • Avatar for BlueSkyClouds #350 BlueSkyClouds 2 months ago
    After the Nier 2 review I DEMAND a second run on Horizon Zero Dawn by USGamer! It became crystal clear it was NOT a fair review! Mike Williams, please make it RIGHT!
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  • Avatar for johngoodwin91 #351 johngoodwin91 2 months ago
    I don't know what to make of this review. The opinions of the writer and the final score don't even really match up. It's as if she knocked off points for the things that she believes didn't work for HZD (fair enough) but didn't give ANY credit for the things that work really well. She spent more time writing cynical quips about story missions (which are ALWAYS very set-piece and linear in open world games) than she did elaborating on the game's beauty, or extremely polished combat.

    "Sound: Over the course of my 30-something hours, I don't remember any of the sounds or score. Take that as you will."

    Lasting appeal: As with any RPG, Horizon Zero Dawn lives or dies by its breadth of content. But with Horizon Zero Dawn the problem isn't the quantity, but the quality. If you're the type that loves meticulous crafting and meaningless side missions, you'll find plenty here. If not, then, well.

    Those two lines, to me, were very telling. Dripping with cynicism. This is supposed to be a professional review?

    A 5 out of 10 game is extremely mediocre, even bad, and I think other gaming websites have proven that this review is WAY outside of the normal spectrum of opinion. I would even say outside of the acceptable spectrum of opinion.
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  • Avatar for Lizardking89 #352 Lizardking89 2 months ago
    @johnsantos36 Trust me don't listen to this review. She doesn't know what she's talking about, the game is amazing.
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  • Avatar for BlueSkyClouds #353 BlueSkyClouds 2 months ago
    From John Carpenter, director of Escape From New York, The Thing, Halloween, Assault on Precinct 13, The Fog, e etc e etc:

    "HORIZON ZERO DAWN is a stunning visual game with highly addictive gameplay. Its small flaws pale against the epic vision of the future".
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  • Avatar for SkekTek #354 SkekTek 2 months ago
    "how to be stealthy (just crouch in the omnipresent tall grass)"

    Stealth is much more nuanced than that. Your movement speed and the weather conditions also affect your stealth. Different machines have different areas of awareness and blind spots that you need to learn and exploit. Certain machines can scan and identify you despite you being hidden. Still other machines lay down alarms that you must avoid.

    "The Focus becomes the source of all the game’s initial intrigue and drama. What is this device and where did it come from? Why is she the (seemingly) only one around with it? "

    The Focus is a game mechanic and a plot device. Contrary to your statement no one seems to care about the device itself. The story revolves around Aloy's mysterious origins.

    "infinite boars and foxes (literally the only living animals that aren’t robots)"

    No, not literally the only living animals. There are the aforementioned boars and foxes but there is also racoons, rabbits, rats, geese, turkeys, salmon, and trout that you need to hunt for common, uncommon, and rare crafting resources. The world is also populated by decorative life such as butterflies, dragon flies, ants, etc.

    Considering that you got some of the most basic tenets of the game entirely incorrect I have to question the validity of the rest of your review.
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  • Avatar for MyNameIsMe #355 MyNameIsMe 2 months ago
    @MHWilliams There is an absolutely brilliant article on Polygon about video game review rage. I thought about you when I was reading it. If you haven't read it, you should give a look. I won't link to it, but it's a reaction to Jim Sterling's 7/10 BOTW score.
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  • Avatar for mariorodgers #356 mariorodgers 2 months ago
    @NTWHA Geez. That's almost as bad as the music reviewer Robert Christgau and his pretentious way of giving some of the most universally loved old school classics middling scores.
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  • Avatar for psychoticjp #357 psychoticjp 2 months ago
    Just finished the game last night. Easily one of the best games I ever played. It absolutly blew me away in the same way goldeneye did on n64 and the first halo did on the original xbox. It has just raised the bar. Don't take this review seriously, her statements regarding there only being boars and rabbits in the game prove that she either didn't play it or that she is deliberately creating faults. Either way this review is garbage.
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  • Avatar for apoc_reg #358 apoc_reg 2 months ago
    Love the site but can't believe this review. Its a great game!
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  • Avatar for KR4Q #359 KR4Q 2 months ago
    So much hype around ps4 games that suck (no man's sky, uncharted) that I wrote this off as just another fanboy cuck game used to mock Xbox players, while secretly ps4 players hate it.

    And then I bought it.

    This is one of the best games ever made and is a breath of fresh creativity that has rejuvenated gaming. The story is touching, the combat is phenomenal and the exploration has never been a chore

    Giving this game such a low score is beyond click bait and wilful ignorance. Congratulations, you earned a few clicks going against the grain. Hopefully that was worth your integrity.
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  • Avatar for craighatch88 #360 craighatch88 2 months ago
    My personal review regarding this game is a mixed review! For starters it seems that the game is built on a matriarchal society, after the fall of modern civilization. Which it is my personal opinion that the game is built around a feminist approach to gaming. Games should never be a political platform for an agenda built around modern day political spectrum. Why? Because for one it takes from the games and denotes the the gamer's attention span due to the political context within the game. For example, I would of enjoyed the game a lot more; if gender was an option for the gamer. why do I have to play as a female when I would prefer to play my own gender! I did not particularly care for the how men were betrayed in the context of the game. While in retrospect it does show that whether male of female corrupt decision are made. No not all men in history were evil and bad, just like not all women were made of sugar cane and ambrosia; and were hailed as saints! As for the game itself, loved the graphics and loved the game play! However what killed it for me was the gender wars within the context of the game! I give this game 4.5 out of ten as far as story line and context. I do give the game a 9.5 for graphics and game play! Games should never be a pawn in political or ideological context unless designed in a way; that equally fits. Overall good game just way to much of the gender wars for my liking!Edited 2 times. Last edited March 2017 by craighatch88
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  • Avatar for KR4Q #361 KR4Q 2 months ago
    @craighatch88 the Nora are a matriarch , but there are 3 other tribes that are not.

    I never once thought about politics and don't really see how anyone could let that take the focus, especially when Alloy is against the Nora system. So if anything, the game is against the matriarch

    Seems like you had a thought and went with it, but that the thought isn't based on the game, just a brief moment of it. And then you made it political while complaining that something that isn't even in the game makes it political. Lol the irony in that
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  • Avatar for MyFuzzyCats #362 MyFuzzyCats 2 months ago
    Ms. McCarthy is entitled to her views so I don't know why so many are upset? A 5 out of 10 is not a "bad" score, it just means that she thinks it's average. Further, this will only spur on Guerrilla Games to do even better in Horizon 2--I can see them raising the bar once again, and not just "rest on their laurels". However, for me, Horizon is a masterpiece, so I am a fangirl of sorts.

    In response to why Aloy would do all these quests, one must understand child development theory. Personality is set as young as three years old. The opening sequence showed a child who is curious, wants to belong badly to a group (the blueberry scene) and who is brave, heroic and compassionate in nature (saving Teb's life as a child using her Focus at risk of her own). So I can see her helping others despite the risks, as she knows what it's like to suffer and empathizes with the downtrodden, and being emotionally intelligent, she understands that this can bring along acceptance and respect--indeed, near the end, she's basically a rock star. So the brilliance is that her personality is well-suited to helping NPCs!

    Finally, it's brilliant that they will have the linear main mission quests to hone in on discussing a compelling story and theory, but once out of the main mission, you're free to do whatever you want. You do need structure to lay out a rich worldview/lore and complex story and plot points. So it has the structure, but also freedom, which is the "best of both worlds".Edited March 2017 by MyFuzzyCats
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  • Avatar for shaun-prawn #363 shaun-prawn A month ago
    Love how your moderators take the time to remove comments with legitimate criticism (the primary basis of your website) of this review and so called 'reviewer'. I can understand removing the offensive and derogatory remarks made against Caty, and I kind of feel sorry for her, to a degree. However, I've observed valid comments with substantiated arguments as to why this review is absolutely trash with obvious factual inaccuracies amongst other things. This review belongs in the user review section of metacritic. It is deliberately negative for reasons I'm not sure. Possibly for attention/web traffic, a personal agenda of sorts or perhaps some kind of social experiment. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but this is not a 5/10 (average) game. Honestly, I agree with a lot of the negative aspects pointed out in this article. However there are no positives acknowledged aside from the one sentence addressing the graphical beauty of the game. The final score given isn't what bothers me most, it's the content of the article. I've since read some other reviews written by Caty and there is no doubt she is a capable journalist.
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  • Avatar for lukassmolen40 #364 lukassmolen40 29 days ago
    Omg, what a clickbait, cash grabbing review!!! How dare you guys. You have given Halo 5 a review 4/5 which is nothing else than just cash grabber! This franchise is a something new which gives a wakeup call to many companies that it is worth to risk with the new stuff instead of launching same game all over again like halo Forza, even final fantasy XV but that one was actually pretty good!! I own xbox and there is nothing to play on this console, but you reviewed their exclusives pretty high which is bollocks. Someone paying you for a reviews? Zero respect to the amount of hours people put into this lovely game. Well, think what you did to yourself - a lot of angry users below...
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  • Avatar for hdpicsgirls #365 hdpicsgirls 23 days ago
    seems like another pass
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  • Avatar for Taranto #366 Taranto 8 days ago
    People needs to chill out. He's just a guy who didn't like the game. That's nothing wrong about it. Personally, I can't understand some things he pointed as bad (like the stunning sound track/effects) , but it's just his opinion. Most of the people, including reviewers, loved the game.
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