Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite's Rumored Roster Is a Disappointing Mirror of MvC3

If this is real, Infinite is shaping up to be a rougher start than its predecessors.

Article by Mike Williams, .

Last night on NeoGAF, user Ryce offered up a rumor for the final roster in Capcom's upcoming Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite. I'm covering this because Ryce has been correct with his MvC rumors before, noting the reveal of a fourth Marvel vs. Capcom for PSX 2016. The poster also correctly revealed the simplified move inputs for the game prior to press previews going live with the same information. They have a solid track record.

Here's their purported roster of characters:

Capcom Marvel
  • Arthur (Ghosts N Goblins)
  • Chris Redfield (Resident Evil)
  • Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
  • Dante (Devil May Cry)
  • Firebrand (Ghosts N Goblins)
  • Jedah (Darkstalkers)
  • Monster Hunter
  • Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
  • Nemesis (Resident Evil)
  • Ryu (Street Fighter)
  • Spencer (Bionic Commando)
  • Strider Hiryu (Strider)
  • X (Mega Man X)
  • Ant-Man
  • Captain America
  • Captain Marvel
  • Doctor Strange
  • Gamora
  • Hawkeye
  • Hulk
  • Iron Man
  • Nova
  • Rocket/Groot
  • Spider-Man
  • Thanos
  • Thor
  • Ultron

Ryce noted that the Capcom side is missing a character, who they believe is Frank West. In addition, they said that Venom is planned as a DLC character.

That means we're looking at a launch roster of 28 characters, putting Infinite below the starting roster of 36 characters for Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and 56 characters for Marvel vs. Capcom 2. There are no X-Men or Fantastic Four characters in the line-up, disappointing fans of series mainstays like Wolverine and Doctor Doom. Hell, there are only four female characters on the roster at all.

Avid fans of the Marvel vs. Capcom series will note that many of those characters are actually transplants from the previous game in the series, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. The all-new characters include X, Jedah, Monster Hunter, Ant-Man, Gamora, Thanos, and Ultron. I'd hazard a guess that a lot of the asset and animation reuse is a cost-cutting measure: By reusing the previous character work with some tweaks and improvements, you're saving development effort.

From the few gameplay trailers we have, Iron Man, Ryu, Morrigan, Captain America, Hulk, and Strider Hiryu share a lot of their animations from Ultimate MvC3. This is isn't really new for the series or for Capcom, as Marvel vs. Capcom 2 reused a ton of earlier spritework and Street Fighter x Tekken pulled art and animations from Street Fighter IV. The difference is that saved effort in MvC2's case was put into delivering a much larger roster than players had seen before.

We're just not seeing that in this rumored list. If Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite reused most of the characters from Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, with a host of new faces, that'd be one thing. But we're not getting that. Instead, there are a smaller number of older characters with some new looks and tweaks, and six new characters adding up to a pretty meager launch team.

It's clear Capcom wants MvC: Infinite to be a service game like Street Fighter V, meaning a number of potential characters are likely being saved for DLC. Capcom is already pushing the 2017 Character Pass with Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite, offering six additional characters to bring the total roster to 34. Sigma has been revealed as the first character already. We don't have a price for the 2017 Character Pass yet, but the Deluxe Edition of Infinite costs $89.99, the Season 1 Character Pass for SFV cost $19.99 and the 2017 Character Pass costs $29.99. $20-30 sounds about right.

In reality, to get close to the launch roster of Marvel vs. Capcom 3, you'll probably have to spend $90.

It feels like the company is falling behind in the fighting game space. Tekken 7 is launching with 38 playable characters this week. King of Fighters XIV launched with 50 goddamn characters, and recently added another 4.

Character count isn't everything though. Injustice 2 only has 28 fighters, but it comes with a host of playable content and one of the best story modes in any fighter. If Capcom can match that, there's hope. Given the launch of Street Fighter V and how Capcom has stumbled and struggled to provide sufficient content for that community, I'm not feeling particularly emboldened by the rumored roster or gameplay options.

I want Capcom to stick the landing here. I don't particularly have a problem with character reuse. I'm fine with the simplified inputs. But what's been lost doesn't appear to have been replaced with something newer, bigger, and better. Capcom had issues with Street Fighter V and I'm just worried if they don't get it together, they'll have the same problems with Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite.

Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite is coming to PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC on September 19, 2017.

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  • Avatar for link6616 #1 link6616 8 months ago
    I am looking forward to this, but I am increasingly concerned the characters absent from MvC3 will be less "missing" and more "effectively a DLC list"

    Sad to see Zero gone though. But X is a fine replacement. I'm most curious about Monster Hunter though. Will they be the weapon switcher character like Ammy or Volnutt. Or will they be a team character with Felines and friends to assist? Or will they be like Jill in MvC2 where they summon the monsters they'd fight in the games. (MvC2 Jill might not be very good, but she is a lot of fun)

    I'm really hoping rocket will play mostly like his trap focused UMvC3 version, who was tons of fun, but with a few assist like Groot Specials.

    But, it doesn't matter much anyway. I'm too much of a rocket and X fan to not use either. And with two person teams, that's the team decided there.
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  • Avatar for Kuni-Nino #2 Kuni-Nino 8 months ago
    Good. They're better off focusing on SFV.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #3 Roto13 8 months ago
    Watch half the DLC characters be returning MvC3 characters with almost no new animations.
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  • Avatar for tigergt33 #4 tigergt33 8 months ago
    I think the story was told Mike when they announced that the game was going to be released on September. The game is going to be playable at E3 and CEO 2017 which is about two months before the game is even released. There's very little time to properly release a "full" game at this point. I'm sure Marvel has their own interests as well, since they want awareness of the MCU to be tied with the game.

    It's interesting that Aksys doesn't get the same criticism as Capcom for Guilty Gear Xrd, because they are actually implementing a similar approach with continuous "upgrade" releases. You can also make the argument that Aksys' upgrade scheme is more expensive per character than Capcom's , balance changes and other improvements aside ($20.00 for two characters with Rev 2 upgrade vs. $30 for six characters for the Season 2 SFV Character Pass). The main difference is of course that Guilty Gear Xrd has a plethora of features and modes that SFV didn't have at the beginning and still doesn't have.

    In conclusion, it seems that publishers know that they need to squeeze more money when possible because creating new assets, balancing, etc. costs more nowadays especially with the long tail that fighting games carryEdited June 2017 by tigergt33
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  • Avatar for SatelliteOfLove #5 SatelliteOfLove 8 months ago
    UMCI in 2017.
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  • Avatar for GaijinD #6 GaijinD 8 months ago
    Some interesting characters, certainly, but some bizarre omissions. They're seriously going to leave out Wolverine​, who's been in every single game in the series, going all the way back to X-Men: Children of the Atom? It'd be like leaving out Ryu, which they certainly didn't.
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  • Avatar for link6616 #7 link6616 8 months ago
    @tigergt33 I think Xrd is getting compliments at this point because Rev 2nd is the first time they haven't done the silliness they usually do. So, its coming from low expectations. (Actually second time, with BB Continuum Shift, they made balance changes to CS 2 free for everything other than PSP and 3DS.)

    SFV is actually mostly following the model they were doing before post SSFIV, with Arcade and ultra being quite reasonably priced 20ish dollar expansions. But unlike SF, you get balance changes for free. (I don't know if arc sys are putting the balance behind a paywall...) But SSFIV was actually a really good model and its a shame we seem to shifting to a slightly worse one (with a benefit of balance being free)

    Supposedly Rev 2 also has a new story mode? Which is quite impressive although I have no intention of watching.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #8 Roto13 8 months ago
    @GaijinD Marvel is being incredibly shitty about letting anyone use X-Men or Fantastic Four characters.
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  • Avatar for MetManMas #9 MetManMas 8 months ago
    On the one hand, I'm going to be very disappointed if this final roster is accurate 'cuz it looks to be taking too much away while not giving enough back. Even if they aren't part of the MCU due to FOX having the movie rights, no X-Men characters or Fantastic Four villains in the new roster is incredibly disappointing. And even if his film rights are in FOX's metallic Sentinel mitts, you'd have to be really stupid not to bring Deadpool back after how big a success his (R-rated) movie was.

    On the other hand, I'm legit interested in how a Monster Hunter will play in an MvC game. Will they stick to one weapon set, compile multiple weapons into one moveset, or have selectable weapons that effectively make them multiple characters in one? Will alt Monster Hunters be palette swaps, or actually have different appearances and/or armor? And if it's the latter, will beating opponents get you drops you can use to make new armor sets with?

    It's probably nothing special, but Monster Hunter piqued my interest a little there.
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  • Avatar for MetManMas #10 MetManMas 8 months ago
    @Roto13 Methinks some suits are butthurt that FOX is content to hold onto the movie rights for those properties.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #11 yuberus 8 months ago
    Just... why no Kamala Khan? Why no Squirrel Girl? Why no Black Panther? Three popular ass comic characters, one of which is getting a movie and another is getting a tv show, ya'll!
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  • Avatar for link6616 #12 link6616 8 months ago
    @MetManMas Ooooh! That makes me consider a different archetype for Monster Hunter.

    Monster Hunter could be the "level up character" like Frank was, except they gather parts in the match... That could be super interesting. (and could be a nightmare)
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  • Avatar for ojinnvoltz #13 ojinnvoltz 8 months ago
    This roster sucks ass (only mainstay Iron Man carries over from my squad) but I'll probably get it. It might be surprisingly awesome like Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. And I'm curious to see how they translate Ant-man into a fighting game.
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  • Avatar for link6616 #14 link6616 8 months ago
    @ojinnvoltz Yes, I'm a little sad we are losing assists, but Tatsunoko was just superb and Infinite looks more like it is taking from TvC than MvC3.
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  • Avatar for VotesForCows #15 VotesForCows 8 months ago
    I'm not saying it needs to be equal, but that's a crappy amount of female characters. Would love to see She-Hulk and Felicia return, but more importantly they absolutely need to put in the UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL.
    @yuberus Dead right there!
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  • Avatar for Stealth20k #16 Stealth20k 8 months ago
    This game will be really really disapointing
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  • Avatar for link6616 #17 link6616 8 months ago
    @Stealth20k yes? But I think that's basically the standard to which all fighting games launch at outside of xrd? And even then...
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  • Avatar for link6616 #18 link6616 8 months ago
    @Stealth20k this generation has mostly been just pretty disappointing with 2d fighters overall.
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  • Avatar for Mooglepies #19 Mooglepies 8 months ago
    Not that impressed by this roster or what I've seen at this stage. Looking like a fighter I'll watch rather than play, for now. Be interesting to see where this goes though.
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  • Avatar for Mixingmetaphorsoup #20 Mixingmetaphorsoup 8 months ago
    On the Capcom side of things, I was really hoping Phoenix Wright would be on there. Maybe it's just been a long time since his last game? And on the Marvel side of things, Dr. Doom would have been really cool, as would, well, Black Widow, which is strange seeing as she's in the movies, but not on here. Also, why no Wolverine OR X-23?
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  • Avatar for secularsage #21 secularsage 8 months ago
    My initial reaction is that this game will be known as "MCU vs Capcom's Greatest Hits" - the roster suggests a move to the characters known from the films, and that's a real departure from lesser-known inclusions like Shuma-Gorath, Marrow, Omega Red, Spiral, Blackheart, Dormammu, Taskmaster MODOK. I've always appreciated the sheer weirdness of this series, so it's disappointing to see both the Marvel and Capcom sides moving to more conventional fighters from fairly well-known properties rather than embracing variety and obscurity.

    Capcom's been fairly complacent over the last 10 years, and SFV and Dead Rising 4 were both big arguments against their future outside of Ace Attorney, Monster Hunter and Resident Evil continuations. Most everything they're currently releasing is from their backcatalog, updated for current systems. It's sad, but it's also a pretty clear indicator they're a few years from becoming the next Konami.
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  • Avatar for secularsage #22 secularsage 8 months ago
    @tigergt33 I think the goodwill towards Aksys comes from the fact that the games are loaded with SP and MP content (as you mentioned) and that they're niche enough that the audience is happy to buy the regular updates if they want to keep playing. (It's also feasible to skip an upgrade here or there without losing your competitive edge.) Aksys was even smart enough to figure out that the story mode didn't need to be integrated with the fighting mode, which is pretty incredible when you realize they essentially ship a long visual novel with each new Guilty Gear release.

    Capcom got a lot of the same goodwill with Street Fighter IV's various incarnations because the new content justified the upgrade.

    Personally, I wish more game devs would take the Skullgirls approach of just making a great fighting game and turning to the community for continued financial support to create free upgrades for everyone who made the initial purchase.
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  • Avatar for docexe #23 docexe 8 months ago
    Sigh... Assuming the leak is true, I don’t know what stings the most: The fact that they indeed removed all of the X-Men characters (including Wolverine, the mainstay of the series) or the fact that they also removed most of the quirky characters from the Capcom side. Seriously, what happened to characters like Amaterasu, Phoenix Wright, Tron Bonne and Viewtiful Joe?!

    And that’s besides the fact that the number of newcomers is also very small. On the whole it looks like a very dissapointing roster.
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  • Avatar for donkeyintheforest #24 donkeyintheforest 8 months ago
    It says in the article 4 female characters, but I only count three... are you counting bionic commando's arm because it is his wife?

    edit: nevermind, I got captain marvel confused with shazam.Edited June 2017 by donkeyintheforest
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  • Avatar for Ohoni #25 Ohoni 8 months ago
    I hope they include Kate Bishop as a Sakura-like reskin for Hawkeye.
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