USgamer Community Question: What's Your View on 4K Gaming?

How excited are you at the prospect of playing with more gaming pixels than ever before?

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This week, 4K consoles have dominated the gaming news. Both Microsoft and Sony are now touting systems that are 4K capable, but what do you think of this new format? Are you excited for 4K gaming, or are you happy to wait to upgrade? Whatever your opinion, we're interested to hear it. In the meantime, here's the USgamer team with their views on the subject.

Jeremy Parish Editor-in-Chief

We can't post GIFs here, so instead of inserting a glib animation of Robert de Niro shrugging indifferently I will instead write it out: "Eh."

As Yoda once said, "Pixels not make one great." On the contrary, every time pixel resolution standards double, it turns out to have a fairly negative impact on the games industry — or rather, on the art of games. The need to create more visual information, and more convincing graphics, increases resource demands and budgets. It pushes game development toward huge corporate pipelines in the Hollywood model, and it means that smaller studios who lack the size or ability to scale as needed either fold or scurry to the safety of less taxing platforms.

But what the hell do I know? I've spent the past year trying to create the most perfect 240p playing and recording setup possible within my financial means, so I'm probably the wrong person to weigh in on 4K. But the idea of throwing four times as many pixels at the screen, and thus forcing studios to spend four times as much effort and money trying to creating convincing visuals, is not really what I want from games. The more games cost, the fewer creative risks their publishers can afford to allow. I don't want innovation to suffocate under the weight of 8.3 million pixels.

Now what does interest me is HDR, which unfortunately the standards-makers have bundled in with 4K. The idea of wider color and light range will, in my opinion, do a whole lot more to make games look beautiful. I can't see individual pixels on a 50" TV when I sit back eight feet, so I don't really need double resolution. But deeper blacks and brighter whites, oh yeah. A couple of years ago I upgraded from a decade-old washed-out 720p LCD television to a proper modern LED set, and the difference in clarity and visual quality was stunning. HDR represents an even greater leap, and it's going to be incredible.

And like I said in my review of the RetroUSB AVS, the most exciting thing about the pairing of 4K and HDR to me is the prospect of creating truly convincing simulations of the way games used to be experienced. You know, on CRT monitors. With the ability to simulate the brightness of CRT phosphors via HDR and the resolution via 4K to imitate the scan lines and even the different patterns of various CRT shadow masks and the possibilities seem practically limitless. Throw in dynamic sync and you could even have perfect impersonations of all those weird custom monitor refresh rates you find in old arcade cabinets.

So basically, I guess I'm saying what I really want from 4K gaming is better 240p gaming. Yeah, I'm a self-parody at this point.

Jaz Rignall Editor-at-Large

While I believe that 4K gaming is an inevitable future for all of us, I'm just not sure how long it's going to take before that future becomes a reality. Probably years and years. Upgrading one's TV and buying a console capable of 4K gaming isn't cheap by any stretch of the imagination, and the only real benefit is a visual upgrade - it's not like 4K makes games play any better. They just look clearer, crisper, and more colorful. That might be important to some, but I think for most people, the difference between 1080p and 4K isn't something that's immediately worth rushing out to invest a large sum of money in, just for gaming. Instead, I think that 4K will come more as a natural upgrade as people purchase new equipment to replace their old 1080p TVs, and buy the next generation of consoles, which will doubtlessly all be 4K-capable.

On a personal level, even though I'm a hardcore gaming enthusiast, I won't be upgrading my PS4 anytime soon. I bought a really nice OLED 1080p TV only a few years ago, and as long as it and my current PS4 works, I'm happy to play with what I have. I've seen a few games running at 4K, and while I was impressed at their fidelity, they didn't blow me away like when I first experienced games running at 1080p compared to standard definition. That was a huge leap, and I was really excited to upgrade my TV, especially because I was also interested in watching Blu-Rays and HDTV programs that were being broadcast. Don't get me wrong - I'm definitely interested in 4K, it's just that until there's a lot more 4K content available to consume, I'm just not feeling the same sense of urgency about upgrading as I did back then.

Mike Williams Associate Editor

I already know the rest of my compatriots and colleagues largely do not care. On the other hand, I am very much an early adopter/bleeding edge type, at least within the bounds of my meager salary. Having seen the all of the Pro enabled games in person, I think focusing on 4K alone is the wrong idea. Most of the Pro games aren't even in native 4K, just upscaled to 4K by the system.

But the combination of 4K and HDR is stunning. Horizon: Zero Dawn looked simply amazing; that's not to say the game doesn't already look good, but the bright colors, enhanced contrast, and greater detail make the game shine even more.

The truth is, graphics do matter. I've definitely crossed into certain areas on my favorite PC and console games and gone, "Shit, that's pretty." The Witcher III is the last game I played at home where the sense of technical artistry really improved my experience. That's why I enjoy PC gaming: being able to maximize my image quality while still playing a game at smooth framerates.

Do graphics make a game? Rarely. Do they enhance your experience with a great game? Certainly. Everyone who owns a gaming PC has gone through the 'upgrade honeymoon', where you jump back and see how your older favorites look with all the bells and whistles turned on. You can look at the NeoGAF PC Screenshot Thread of No Compromises to see what your gaming hardware can get up to when you really push it and the closer you get to that while still having a playable game, the better.

I can't justify a new 4K television, a PlayStation 4 Pro, and PlayStation VR this holiday season. If I had the money? Yeah, I'd do it. So I'm for "4K gaming", I'm just not in for right now. Perhaps when I'm the gaming rockstar you all love, need, and pay, then I can get in on that action. Until then this is no difference between the players who pick up a GeForce 1060, versus a 1070 or Titan. Where the threshold lies is personal, but hell yeah, graphics matter.

Kat Bailey Senior Editor

I'll just be upfront on this point: I'm kind of a late adopter when it comes to technology. I didn't get a smartphone until 2012; and before I started working in the games industry, I often waited years to upgrade to a new console. So I'm not exactly the kind of person who will just up and drop a grand on a new 4K television so I can get slightly better resolution.

With that said, I found some of what our sister site Digital Foundry had to say about the PlayStation 4 Pro's benefits to be interesting. To wit: "There is a clear, unambiguous night and day difference between 1080p and the 4K mode, which is clearly resolving more than the basic 2x increase in pixel throughput being generated at the base level. In fact, the detail increase is almost revelatory - and that applies equally to both Days Gone and Horizon Zero Dawn."

Okay, that's pretty interesting to me. Unfortunately for Sony, these unambiguous improvements don't come across on a 720p stream; but if they're as striking as he says, then I'm in.

Equally interesting, though, was what they had to say about HDR. "On the top-end screens used at the event at least, HDR was hugely important to the quality of the presentation. The bottom line is simple - in some scenarios, HDR adds just as much extra detail as the additional resolution. In Horizon Zero Dawn, the skybox is transformed, on Uncharted 4, the beach on the island level we saw is washed out, completely lacking in texture until HDR is enabled. What's clear is that the perception of HDR having an impact on colour vibrancy is only half of the picture. Yes, contrast is massively improved, but in turn, this allows for much more detail to be resolved in the presentation."

That's really interesting to hear, not the least because HDR will be supported by all PlayStation 4 consoles. If that's the case, then 4K gaming suddenly seems slightly less important.

The upshot of all this is that big improvements to visual fidelity are probably coming soon - more than I expected. And if that's the case, then that's pretty cool. Unfortunately, I also just bought my TV a couple years ago, and I really don't see myself upgrading anytime soon. Hopefully the 4K revolution will have had a chance to settle out by then. For now, though, I'm interested.

Bob Mackey Senior Writer

Growing up as a member of the "use it until it breaks" working class has snuffed out the possibility of me being a tech fetishist, but I'm not going to poo-poo the idea of 4K outright. I bought my first and current 720p HDTV way back in 2009, so by the time I finally upgrade, it's entirely likely that I'll be buying a 4K model. (And by that time there probably won't be any other choice.) Right now, though? While 4K makes for an appreciable upgrade from 1080p, it doesn't seem all that necessary. True, most video game-related things are inherently unnecessary, but Sony's recent PS4 Pro unveiling tried its best to establish a problem that doesn't really exist. It also helps that I have a newish gaming PC, of course, but I haven't yet looked at the fidelity of a PS4 game and thought, "Hmm… this could stand to be better." Of course, I regularly spend dozens upon dozen of hours playing 3DS games, so I guess I'm not living my life correctly—at least according to Sony's standards.

Nadia Oxford Staff Writer

...Utter, utter apathy. And maybe I’m being presumptuous, but I get the feeling I’m not the only person who’s beaming their opinion straight from the Neutral Planet.

Right now, the industry’s opinion on 4K TVs seems to be “Eh, get one if you want. We’ll support 4K gaming. Maybe. At some point.” Nobody’s committed to anything, and nobody has any passion about the tech.

The change-over from SD gaming to HD gaming was more urgent, more insistent. For starters, families were drawn to HD TVs because the jump in visual quality was enormous. As a result, it wasn’t a huge trick for many gamers to make the switch to HD-based consoles either. Of course, publishers “helped” initiate the change by releasing Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 games that were nigh-unplayable on a CRT television because vital text became too small to read.

Way to go, games industry. You sure have this “accessibility” thing nailed. [confetti]

Nevertheless, the previous console generation quickly reached a point where your gaming choices were narrowed down to “Get an HD TV,” “Get a Wii,” and “Fugeddaboutit and save your money since the Great Recession is tearing the economy to shreds anyway.” You evolved or you died, man.

By comparison, the pitch for 4K TVs and gaming is as tepid as day-old soup. There’s no urgency, no consequences if you say “no.” And when you try to initiate change by halves, it doesn’t stick. That’s why the US still uses the Imperial system and the paper dollar.

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Comments 69

  • Avatar for Corvak #1 Corvak A year ago
    I think it's the future, but also still too early. Not enough screens in the wild yet, most games aren't developed in 4K, but up scaled to support it.
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  • Avatar for prymusferal #2 prymusferal A year ago
    4K gaming, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, 3D TV. :)
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  • Avatar for Mega_Matt #3 Mega_Matt A year ago
    I'm fine waiting. I definitely don't need it. I didn't end up with a 1080p tv until 2.5 years ago and the 720p rear projection TV I had before that lasted me a good 9-10 years.
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  • Avatar for Mega_Matt #4 Mega_Matt A year ago
    @prymusferal I think eventually 4K will be the norm like 1080p is now. 3D was kind of a fad but it eventually came standard with most TVs. My Sony came with it, but it wasn't something I was looking for. I've still never used it, ha. I'm just glad curved TVs aren't the norm.
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  • Avatar for buckupprincess #5 buckupprincess A year ago
    Although I'm a huge technology enthusiast, I fall into the boat of retro enthusiasts. I've purchased a PS4, but the reason I scooped it up was primarily to play indie titles and shmups, genres that will be totally unaffected by 4K. I've definitely added a few stunning full HD games to my rack but my two favorite titles in the aesthetic and art departments are the remakes of Odin Sphere and Valkyria Chronicles, both also joining the non-essential 4K party.

    While 4K doesn't do much for me, HDR looks like a great addition to the console but since it's available on my vanilla PS4, I'll wait it out for the Pro. I'm very excited to have more vibrant color in the small handful of affected games I own and hopefully none of the future releases will leave me in the dust.

    I know I seem pretty unimpressed but the knowledge that this will become a gaming standard eventually makes me pleased that both of the HD (I guess it's 4K now) twins are looking to future proof their platforms. My only concern is that 4K development and saturation won't become the norm until we reach the next generation.
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  • Avatar for MetManMas #6 MetManMas A year ago
    While I'm sure there will eventually be a point where 4K is the standard, for the time being I just see it as a toy for the rich kids and techies who want the best display options for their wall-sized TV sets. The average consumer probably won't notice much of a difference. Hell, my mom still buys regular DVDs even though she has a BluRay player 'cuz it's cheaper and it's good enough for her.

    If I had $400 to upgrade, I'd just save it towards a good PC. Though it'll naturally cost more, a high end computer is still going to be a much more capable game machine than what's basically more or less the HD console equivalent of the new 3DS.
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  • Avatar for cldmstrsn #7 cldmstrsn A year ago
    Its basically the point we were at 10 years ago with 1080p. Just not a lot of adoption yet because what people have is "good enough." As a tech guy im super excited to upgrade to a 4K TV with HDR. Ill probably do it next year sometime and with it ill be grabbing a Pro.Edited September 2016 by cldmstrsn
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  • Avatar for Belderiver #8 Belderiver A year ago
    I'll probably use my current PS4 until it breaks, or they stop making games for it.
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  • Avatar for TernBird #9 TernBird A year ago
    Video games have already put themselves into a messy spot (over)developing the graphics for current HD games. What's going to happen when every triple-A release has to render for the even-more-advanced 4K? Profit margins are already so thin, largely due to developing high-end assets.

    Performance-obsessed gamers can beat their chests all they want, but I don't really give a rip over 4K. It'll happen, but the ifs and whens are mean complete Richard to me.
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  • Avatar for chaoticBeat #10 chaoticBeat A year ago
  • Avatar for FirLocke #11 FirLocke A year ago
    HDR is the thing to be excited for. If only 1080p TVs had HDR...
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  • Avatar for TerryTrowbridge #12 TerryTrowbridge A year ago
    How do I feel about 4K gaming?
    It's gaming and its in 4K.
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  • Avatar for Namevah #13 Namevah A year ago
    I haven't been hugely impressed with this console generation compared to the last, so I'd rather be hearing about new games instead of new, multi-hundred dollar hardware. So no, I can't say that I'm excited about PS4 Pro or whatever Microsoft is calling the improved Xbox One.Edited September 2016 by Namevah
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  • Avatar for riderkicker #14 riderkicker A year ago
    It's the future, but I feel we've reached peak HD. I could care less about some shiny new TV. I wish some company out there would take building a competent upscaler for retro-gaming and build a good monitor. Or everybody should just reduce lag as much as possible, not adding new features and such.
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  • One of my favorite games I played in 2015 was Donkey Kong '94 so clearly I'm not one to chase the newest technology. I'm sure eventually 4k will become the standard but until then 4k gaming won't be something I think about
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  • Avatar for internisus #16 internisus A year ago
    I'm excited about it, but mostly on my computer where it can happen at frame rates above 30 per second. Which is why I'm pretty bothered by the lack of information out there about any PC games planning to support HDR. The one exception is Rise of the Tomb Raider, which had a dev blog post discussing the details of updating the game for the enhanced colorspace.

    When I bought this TV, I only really wanted a 1080p one but got 4K because they pretty much don't make 1080p anymore outside of the monitor space. I didn't think I was interested in 4K, but I streamed some Breaking Bad from Netflix as a test and was blown away by the level of detail provided by the increased resolution. So yeah, I do care about this, but I'm also very uncertain about the PS4 Pro now that we know it won't have a 4K Blu-Ray player; it represents a much less exciting value, and I'm going to wait and see how currently existing games that I care about will be updated.
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  • Avatar for internisus #17 internisus A year ago
    @Happy-Mask-Salesman Donkey Kong '94 is outstanding.
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  • Avatar for camchow #18 camchow A year ago
    I feel like I just upgraded to 1080p in 2013, that's the year I grabbed a cheap 1080p tv during black friday sales. In 2014 I built a new computer and got a 1080p monitor to go with it. To me that resolution is definitely more than fine, I don't feel any need to upgrade yet. My monitor and TV are great, they get the job done, games on my PC look sharp and beautiful, shows on my tv are just as crisp. I don't need 4k.

    I was going to say "call me again when 50" 4K TVs start showing up for 200-300 bucks." but I just did a google search and we are basically already there. Holy crap. Still, I mean if I'm being honest, even at that price I'm still not too interested, could use that money on so many other things.
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  • Avatar for daverhodus #19 daverhodus A year ago
    4K is the digital equivalent to 35mm film. So we already have decades of content ready for it. It's nowhere close to the oddity that is 3D TV. It's a natural progression that is just going to happen. Of course I'll want to play games on my 4K TV when I get one.
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  • Avatar for Tebunker #20 Tebunker A year ago
    So the problem with banking on 4k is that there is no broadcast standard change like there was for HD signals.

    So until you start seeing broadcasting in 4k, and widely adopted, don't expect wide adoption either as it isn't as an obvious jump from standard definition to 720p/1080p.

    Me personally, I say to hell with 4k, and give me 1080 p with better overall IQ, more processing layers, more fidelity in the game world. Use all of these things to complement the game. Make better games. Use that processing power for more/better AI routines and scripting.

    Let's be honest here, the PS4Pro is using processing tricks in the hardware to get near 4k and 4k like resolutions. That barely anyone will ever see. $800 video cards struggle even when paired with $500 cpus and $600 monitors to get a consistent 4k framerate. Why even bother....

    Oh I know, because it's a buzzword, and Sony needs to sell TVs too.

    Hopefully more devs decide to instead use any extra power to go with more fidelity in the game worlds, better post processing of the images, stable frame rates, and better things like ai etc. That may make it worth an upgrade.
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  • Avatar for ojinnvoltz #21 ojinnvoltz A year ago
    Don't care. Recently upgraded to a graphics card that can do 4K, but it's impossible to do 4K at 60 fps so F that noise.
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  • Avatar for Ralek #22 Ralek A year ago
    HDR can produce some quite impressive results. Mostly by not just increasing fidelty, but actually adding something to the mood and tone of a scene. Colors and contrasts are bit like visual music, so to speak, and I think in that regard, HDR could really add to the experience, making it broader, not just sharper.

    Unfortunately, I don't feel like upgrading to a new TV in the near future. I got a very decent 1080p/3D Panasonic Plasma and topping that picture quality with a 4K/HDR set will be expensive. I mean, I want better picture quality overall, that also goes for black levels, the reproduction of motion, and so on, it's not just resolution and peak luminiosity. Other factors come into play as well, like e.g. input-lag, which is important for gaming (well, many genres anyways). My current set performs very well in gamemode, so my next TV would have to be at the same at least, which I hear, is still an issue for most devices when HDR is enabled, ranging anywhere from the mid-40ms to over 150ms, which is kinda pointless for gaming. Other considerations apply as well, like upgrading my AVR, which adds an additional cost-factor to the whole equation.
    I also think I'd want something bigger than 42" for my next set, and possibly curved as well, which all adds up to big, curved high-end OLED as the prime candidate for my next upgrade. Unfortunately, those bad boys are still way out of my price range, and will remain so for the forseeable future. Until that changes, my interest in 4K is basically 0.

    I have 0 interest in going to lesser overall picture quality, just in a higher resolution, even if it's something I can do for like $1000 or so.

    And honestly, right now I am playing NIER (yeah, no kidding), so I am probably not the target audience for this kind of stuff anyways. It's not that I don't care about visuals, but that I don't think they are a primary concern. I've played to many gorgeous but utterly dumb games in recent years ... cynical as that may sound, but I am of the firm believe, that we are totally overfocused on visuals these days.
    I mean NIER looks like a** for the most part, but the actual design of the world is quite well done, and it's barren visuals fits the narrative quite well (a dying and godforsaken wasteland of a world). The music is amazing, as is the voice acting, which together with the rather sharp writing and compelling writing and world, makes MORE than up for the lack in visuals.
    In short, I take a character like Grimoire Weiss over Crysis graphics any day. Weiss I will still remember years from now, just as I still remember SHODAN and the likes, the visuals of even the most impressive game will soon be forgotten or "overwritten".

    Graphics are already eating up way to many ressources during gamedevelopment from what I can tell. Won't 4K and HDR not just increase the amount of necessary man-hours spend on making something "AAA"?

    To me this sounds like a world, in which titles like NIER are even less likely to occur than today, instead, we might see Calll of Duty 4K remasters popping up ... I am sorry, while I'm not at all against progress, that is not a compelling vision to me.
    Or to put it differently, a great MANY aspects of gamedesign are in need of an overhaul, visuals are the last of it though - and frankly, I doubt Nier Automata or Persona 5 will support 4K/HDR in any meaningful way ... we shall see.
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  • Avatar for greenhornet214 #23 greenhornet214 A year ago
    By the time I can afford a 4K tv, 8k will be the norm. So this is irrelevant for me.
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  • Avatar for Monkey-Tamer #24 Monkey-Tamer A year ago
    Frame rate>higher resolution. After buying a 144hz monitor I'll never go back to 60 frames and below, much less 30. Don't know if I'd feel the same if it meant going back to something like 480. I feel there are diminishing returns with higher resolution. Despite currently gaming at 1440p the older standard of 1080p seems to be the sweet spot.
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  • Avatar for Kuni-Nino #25 Kuni-Nino A year ago
    I don't care about it. It's out of my price range.
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  • Avatar for touchofkiel #26 touchofkiel A year ago
    It sounds like the next tech upgrade. By which I mean it's inevitable, so it doesn't really matter what we feel about it - it's happening, and like Parish says, it will drive dev costs up. And like others said, that combined with HDR will create some beautiful games.

    It's inevitable, but right now Sony's marketing is just trying to push it as a selling point, when the demand (or the capabilities) just aren't there. Besides, I already have a 5K iMac! (Yeah, yeah, not going to be running ANY games at that res...)
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  • Avatar for themblan #27 themblan A year ago
    I'll only care when Nintendo does it. I couldn't fully appreciate Wii because of its graphics, so I now try to stay behind the curve for the sake of being able to graphically appreciate Nintendo's games.
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  • Avatar for DrCorndog #28 DrCorndog A year ago
    Once most major studios figure out how to make games worthy of their high-end graphics and 4K resolution, then I'll care.
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  • Avatar for matthewjohnson31 #29 matthewjohnson31 A year ago
  • Avatar for Lane #30 Lane A year ago
    Eh. I'd love to upgrade my TV and/or monitor to a 4K set, but what I currently have works fine and there's other things I'd like to invest my money in at the moment, such as an upgrade for my Radeon 7870 or a nice 5.1 surround sound setup for the family room.Edited 2 times. Last edited September 2016 by Lane
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  • Avatar for Whinybabyclub #31 Whinybabyclub A year ago
    I mean, I've seen a game running in 4K, and it looked great. But it didn't make me want to go out and buy a 4K monitor anytime soon. The truth is, it's still way too early to consider it a standard, inexpensive resolution. Up until 2 years ago, 720p was still considered ok for consoles. 1080 is still BARELY achievable in most games without locking the fps at 30. So MS and Sony are trying to convince us that in the 3 years since the new gen launch, they've packed enough hardware into a box that will run 4K? Running off antiquated AMD garbage? Nope.
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  • Avatar for not_themilkybarkid #32 not_themilkybarkid A year ago
    I would rather see a big jump in CPU power, to make interesting new simulations and game mechanics possible. Gameplay first, graphics second.
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  • Avatar for InsertTokenz #33 InsertTokenz A year ago
    Being someone who grew up during a time when visual technology had a far greater impact on the evolution of overall game design (in particular the jump from 2D to 3D gameplay), I wasn't all that impressed with HD when it hit the scene, since I didn't find the differences all that important to what I love about video games. The same answer can more or less be applied here as well. I feel we are already at a point where all the visual tools available to game creators are so sophisticated that it's entirely possible to create great looking games regardless of resolutions; instead utilizing eye-catching art styles and good visual direction to grab our attentions.

    4K may make video games look sharper, but if said games aren't interesting enough on their own merits, it won't make me anymore excited to play them.
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  • Avatar for sean697 #34 sean697 A year ago
    So HDR and 4K kind of go hand in hand. To display more colors and transitions, you need more pixels. Thus you need 4K. You won't be getting HDR on 1080p. (Picture a rose petal transitioning into the shade of its flower. The red let's say will transition it's color as you follow the petal to black. With 1080p you can transition the color only a certain amount between bright red and black across the petal. You can't fit all the colors. Bump the resolution to 4K, you can fit more of those transition colors in the same petal. Thus you have a higher dynamic range of colors that can fit in the same screen real estate.)

    The beauty of 4K and what you notice when viewing on the screen, has never been the resolution, but the increased contrast and colors available when you have more pixels. Your eye can't resolve the pixels individual very well between 1080p and 4K. But it can resolve the much greater contrast and colors visible. If you ever see a good 4K demo that is the most striking thing. And the real benefit to 4K. It allows you to have more resolution to depict lifelike color and contrast.
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  • Avatar for ghostsandgoblins #35 ghostsandgoblins A year ago
    I'm into it in theory, but I'm I a handheld gamer.Edited September 2016 by ghostsandgoblins
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  • Avatar for sean697 #36 sean697 A year ago
    That said, I'll be buying a 4K tv when I get around to it. And until then no PS4 pro. Am I excited about 4K gaming? Absolutely. But not enough to purchase a TV sooner than I would have otherwise.

    It is nice that instead of laggin behind TV standards like previous console like the Wii and even the PS3 which most games ran at 720p, they Are getting in step with current tv specs.
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  • Avatar for SatelliteOfLove #37 SatelliteOfLove A year ago
    It's a few years out yet. I'm not in yet for a while.
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  • Avatar for yuberus #38 yuberus A year ago
    I also just don't really care much. Like Kat I'm a late tech adopter - I got a smart phone in 2011, a 720p tv in 2014, and my computer has only seen some upgrading since it got built in 2010. I'm still running an iPhone 4s! So yeah, 4K is a long way off on my end, and even when I upgrade I'll be lucky to find one that has my desired component and VGA ports.
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  • Avatar for neilhood #39 neilhood A year ago
    I buy a new TV every 7-10 years. I bought my current TV (my second HD flatscreen) about 2 years ago. So I suppose I am saying, I will care about this upgrade in roughly 5 years and will probably pick up the then current (and cheaper) version of the PS4 Pro to make sure my "retro" PS4 collection can be played in a great fidelity when I am retired and have time to make my way through my gaming backlog.
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  • Avatar for NotCarolKaye #40 NotCarolKaye A year ago
    I feel like they want this to be another 7 to 8 year generation like the last one. Fair enough. I'm okay with that.

    But if they want that, they should have absorbed the cost of putting out the long generation spec up front. Not sold us place-holder hardware and then asked us to eat the cost of upgrading a few years later.
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  • Avatar for SuperShinobi #41 SuperShinobi A year ago
    4K HDR is great, but it's something that has to be seen to be believed, like VR. I think once people get to see PS Pro and Scorpio games running on 4K HDR TVs, the new consoles are going to start to seem very appealing. 4K alone is a significant upgrade, but combined with HDR it will be a big one.

    I had a (non-HDR) 4KTV for a while and I liked it so much that it was kind of hard to go back to 1080p, as I had to sell the 4KTV to pay some bills. Currently I'm looking forward to getting another 4KTV, one with HDR-support, in 2017. The considerable issue of price is for now the only thing standing in the way of 4K & HDR conquering the market, I'd say.

    4K and HDR will both make games come alive on the screen in a way that's going to feel very new and qualitatively different to what's been seen before.

    It seems that the fortunes of both the PS Pro and Scorpio are closely tied to the rate of 4K HDR TV adoption. Depending on how soon the manufacturers will be able to bring the price points of those new TVs down, the new consoles may end up being either hits or misses commercially. Given how high the prices still are, I doubt the PS PRo is going to dethrone the regular PS4 anytime soon.Edited 2 times. Last edited September 2016 by SuperShinobi
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  • Avatar for VotesForCows #42 VotesForCows A year ago
    @PhotoBoy Totally agree. 60Hz would be fantastic as a standard (which they said would come with PS3 / X360). But unfortunately I think most people don't really care about framerates. A shame, because from a development cost perspective its got to be cheaper than making ridiculously high resolution assets.
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  • Avatar for ATBro #43 ATBro A year ago
    What I can't figure out is all the animosity towards this. Instead of looking at it like it's an option that can be passed on, It seems like there is a, "why are you leaving me behind, Sony?" mentality. Just because it's not for them, they have to hate it. Like looking at what Nadia Oxford wrote up there, she is trying to say that's it's apathy, but that looks a little bit more like animosity. And for what? Because there is a new console that she doesn't have to buy? It really comes across as narcissistic.
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  • Avatar for AxiomVerge #44 AxiomVerge A year ago
    I want some combination of glasses free 3d and hdr. But I assume 4k will be the minimum that comes in once it's available.
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  • Avatar for matthewjohnson31 #45 matthewjohnson31 A year ago
    @ATBro I think a lot of people out there are expecting this to be bigger than it is, to catch on to the point where users of the vanilla consoles will be locked out of content. Whereas based on every similar instance in the past, it's more likely that the new machines will fail to justify their own existence.
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  • Avatar for nadiaoxford #46 nadiaoxford A year ago
    @ATBro Your line that divides "apathy" and "animosity" is apparently way thinner than mine! Unless you're simply referring to my snark about how inaccessible games tend to be (no mandatory subtitle options, shitty font choices that made text hard to read for people with bad eyesight). In which case, yes. I am saltier than a Big Mac.
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  • Avatar for floydferrera #47 floydferrera A year ago
    I couldn't care less about 4K. From where I'm sitting I can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on my 32" TV.
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  • Avatar for Captain-Gonru #48 Captain-Gonru A year ago
    I'll join the chorus of "eh"s. I've never been a huge graphics guy, certainly not over gameplay, but I can appreciate a prettier picture. What is be far more appreciative of, however, would be putting all this processing power to better use in-game. Give me a GTA with early PS2 graphics and a more fully realized AI population, and you can keep your 4K.
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  • Avatar for kevinbowyer34 #49 kevinbowyer34 A year ago
    Framerate > resolution.

    240p 4 lifeEdited September 2016 by kevinbowyer34
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  • Avatar for Mooglepies #50 Mooglepies A year ago
    I run a 1440p monitor on my PC because getting 60fps at 4k is ridiculously difficult. The upgrade in the detail you must get at 4k would be great, but I'm not willing to sacrifice the framerate for it.

    I'll be interested in 4k on consoles when they solve that issue as well, but the general trend at the moment is to prioritise image quality over framerate anyway. To be honest I'd lile to see the extra grunt afforded by these new consoles go into more interesting things like AI than I would higher resolutions.

    I think there are some big gambles being taken by Sony and MS over whether 4k sees a massive uptake.
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  • Avatar for swamped #51 swamped A year ago
    I'm at kind of an awkward point where I would like to upgrade to a bigger TV and will likely end up with 4k simply because that's what's available.

    That said NO I'm not upgrading to a 4k console, primarily because I just bought my PS4 less than a year ago. Think of it in terms of a phone or a laptop... Upgrading hardware that frequently at that price point is only something the fringe of the hardcore tech enthusiasts find acceptable. To the average consumer, it just seems kind of crazy.

    At this point I'm more likely to repurchase the PS3 I got rid of than get a Pro. I'd rather have access to MORE games, not slightly better looking ones.
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  • Avatar for Shorap #52 Shorap A year ago
    I sold my ps4 a bit ago because I've been fairly uninterested and disappointed in this generation. The games that have come out tend to be less fun, less optimized, and less risky. That last point is important to note as last gen's games were guilty of this as well. Almost every game is open world (which has long since burnt me out), a remaster (yawn), or some indie game that falls short of the source material it's cribbing from.

    The mid generation upgrade and the incremental benefits it brings to the table, vr gaming, and 4k resolution only further cements my 'old man hates change' mindset and I've found myself retreating back to my 3ds and ps3 (the latter mainly to play legacy games). Not sure if this is a phase or permanent but I'm hoping Nintendo and it's NX makes me a believer in modern gaming again.
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  • Avatar for PlatypusPlatoon #53 PlatypusPlatoon A year ago
    Bob and Kat say they're late adopters, but I'm still working through my Xbox 360 backlog, and on a first-generation HDTV (circa 2008) to boot. 720p, baby!
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  • Nope. There's two reasons. One is that I think the PC guys have the right idea in focusing on higher refresh rates and minimizing LCD lag. I'd like to see a PS4 that will support Freesync if hooked up to a compatible monitor more than one with 4K.

    The other reason is that Sony is stressing that this is a continuation of the current generation cycle, which suggests they're feelIing in their oats is confidence in a PS5 or some other reboot of the cycle coming down the line. I can adopt a 4K system then. No reason to jump into half-step upgrades chasing that now.
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  • Avatar for SargeSmash #55 SargeSmash A year ago
    So I just bought a 4K TV, but I'm honestly not too worried about 4K gaming right now. I actually got this set because it's both bigger than my old one, and it scales 720p/1080p content more cleanly that my old one as well.

    I'm sure it will become a thing eventually, but I wouldn't worry too much about it from a gaming perspective.
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  • Avatar for Pandalulz #56 Pandalulz A year ago
    Higher visual fidelity can't hurt anything. I haven't personally upgraded to 4K, and in fact just last year bought a really nice looking 60" 1080P instead, but I figure in five years or so it will be time and I'll happily upgrade then. That being said, the PS4Pro won't really effectively play games in 4K at 60FPS, and doesn't come with a UHD Blu-Ray player, so really, I still don't have anything native 4K to play on a 4K TV anyway. Maybe in five years the consoles will catch up.Edited September 2016 by Pandalulz
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  • Avatar for docexe #57 docexe A year ago
    Not really interested. 4k/UHD is going to be the standard one day, that’s a given, but it won’t happen in another few years.

    And putting aside my current trepidations about incremental console upgrades, 4k/UHD TV’s are just prohibitedly expensive in my country (as in “you do realize you could pay the deposit for a new car or maybe even a new house with that, don’t you?” expensive).

    Besides, my current 1080p TV set is not even two years old. So, I’m not really in any hurry to upgrade.
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  • Avatar for siamesegiant #58 siamesegiant A year ago
    I don't know a single person with a 4K TV or display. It might be the future, but it's certainly not the present. Wish it wasn't called 4K too, as that's really misleading, given that it's only twice the resolution of 1080p.

    As a keen retro gamer I shudder to think how old games are going to look stretched even further. New stuff will undoubtedly look great though.Edited September 2016 by siamesegiant
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  • Avatar for airbagfin51 #59 airbagfin51 A year ago
    I will probably get it eventually, just because I can (I already started a scan for HDR displays on Amazon, and it seems there isn't a consumer display out there which actually does HDR--I'm sure this is totally wrong, but these are my initial findings) afford it. I mean surely this means one of two things, right?: Either 1) there aren't any HDR display units out on the consumer market 2) Amazon is being lazy about updating its product database. Hmm. Which seems more likely? Or 3) I just suck at searching for things on online shopping sites.

    I like@nadiaoxford's comparison with the more urgent, insistent need for 1080p (even though I know@bobservo could care less). I remember being lured into a Best Buy on 23rd St. in Manhattan one day (there's so many BBs on that street, you can't be sure) and there was one display: "Here is half of your screen on bad resolution, and here is the other half, with 1080p resolution."

    It was like an instant thing. Yes. This is what I need. So where is the contemporary equivalent?
    @bobservo's notion that he is in a long term relationship with a 720p TV is just laughable to me, a person who wishes the 3DS had an HDMI output. (Please note that I'm joking, but probably not well here, Mr. Mackey. One day I will power up the 3DS and join your Monster Hunter game).

    I need to slow down here, or I will just stop making sense.

    Boom! Kat Bailey's note about the DF (I didn't know it was a sister site!) experience illustrates how comically misunderstood this whole presentation really was. It's like there are two diametrically opposed viewpoints existing in the world: Andrew House+Mark Cerny+Assorted Game Devs in one corner, and pretty much everyone else on the other corner. This is why we need MORE Internet, to anyone who cares, not LESS. And why am I being so binary here?

    Well, I too only got a smartphone once it was really necessary (and also around 2012). I still remember my days with a bulky Motorola (on Sprint) handset, getting excited about WAP. And SOAP. Then came my flip phone (first on 'Cingular', then also on Sprint). Lest we worry that I am going to start a debate about connectivity providers, my point is simply that that's what phones are to me. Phones. For when you need to receive a phone call from people who still want to use phones. Not something where Lumines just crashes every time you're in a New York subway with no connectivity, and you decide you want to look cool standing there, playing Lumines. Unlike those crazy people still playing Bejeweled on their little phone. (There is a story here about turning the volume very low on the phone to avoid people realizing I was playing Lumines, but that is not for this comment). TMI

    And@automaticzen 'upgrade honeymoon' is something I will now include in my list of demands to every computer manufacturer out there. Imagine the RAM slowly running out as the graphics get better, suddenly there's a blue screen, but you have your trusty phone at the side and can call up the support number: "No upgrade honeymoon, huh?" is an option you can dial in. How badass would that be?

    I hope I'm not coming across as offensive. This is a long post. Sometimes I get lost and a fear of being aimless in the context of my prose becomes fairly evident. Mr. Rignall, I don't know about you, but does not the notion of direct USB input from the new PS4 controller make you stop to wonder: "What have I been doing in fighting games all this time?"

    And, I feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with exploring the gamut of colors. In fact, it should be a feature every single human gets to experience at least once.

    Thank you for giving me license to post this. I honestly love everything that all of you do, and that this discussion has been opened. I wish you all my 4K <3s

    I usually miss streams because I have to work, but who knows. Maybe one day I will be that lost person in the Monster Hunter initiation room :)
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  • Avatar for kevinbowyer34 #60 kevinbowyer34 A year ago
    @AxiomVerge I just beat Axiom Verge today. When I played a classmate's copy of Metroid for the first time it was on a weekend. He had gotten the game a few weeks before and didnt like it (he only had a nes because his mom got him one, he didnt really play video games. He was kind of a dumb redneck [i am not saying rednecks are dumb, i come from a family of them]) I guess this was 3rd or 4th grade? He kept forgetting to bring the game and each day I bugged him a little harder. I started making up what the game would be like in my head just based on the boxart. My older sisters were busy with after school stuff during the week and after dinner on a week day was my best window to play NES. I missed all thise windows because I didnt get the game till Friday. I got permission from my parents to stay up late that night. I noticed the sound first; the music was so off kilter i thought something was wrong with the game. And indeed a few times I powered it up that weekend it made a bad connection and through up tons of glitches. I remember falling down the pit where you can't get out without the high jump and being stuck. I remember writing down the password incorrectly and being in tears. The kid called Sunday and wanted the game back that Monday. I played Metroid for 2 days, got nowhere then immediately had to give the game back. To this day, I count that week as being one of the bluest I have ever had. Just a gut sinking funk. Eventually I got the game back over that summer. But during those fews weeks when I wasnt able to play it, I went back to building the game in my head like I had done the few week days when I didnt have it yet.

    Axiom Verge is the game that was in my 9 year old brain. The game doesn't fill a nostalgia hole for me. Replaying the original Metroid does that. Axiom Verge is a reason for that month of gut sinking funk to have meant something. Thanks for that.
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  • Avatar for simplemanstan #61 simplemanstan A year ago
    Zero interest right now. No plans to buy a 4K TV/monitor in the near future. Still enjoying a gaming backlog that stretches back to the 1980s. We'll probably be on 64K by the time I get to the games made past 2010.
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  • Avatar for zidanix #62 zidanix A year ago
    I'm kinda with Mike on this one. If I had the money, I'd be all in on the 4K HDR thing. But it isn't. Something that will make playing games better in the way they play, just how they look. So yeah, I can wait till my HD TV breaks down or something.
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  • Avatar for K-JJ #63 K-JJ A year ago
    I'll be interested in 4K TV/gaming in the future but it doesn't look to me it is there yet.

    Also, in some ways the PS4 pro is the worst type of upgrade.

    There's a real danger that some devs will see it as the base platform, so the experiences on my current PS4 will suffer (I know Sony have taken steps to reassure that this won't happen, but I'm not 100% convinced).

    On top of those concerns is it's really powerful enough for proper 4K? I don't think so. Project Scorpio looks like it'll get closer, and for someone without an Xbox one, that makes it an interesting proposition.
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  • Avatar for da686b73 #64 da686b73 A year ago
    4K will be the norm. I wish gaming-wise though that we'd consider other factors such as 60FPS.
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  • Avatar for retr0gamer #65 retr0gamer A year ago
    Got a 1440p monitor and the 70% increase in pixels is very noticeable so I feel 4K will make a big visual impact. My monitor is 21:9 though, I'd much rather see that pushed than 4K.

    As for 4K gaming, meh. The tech just isn't there yet and I echo Jeremy's view that it's just going to lead to less creative mainstream games.
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  • Avatar for KaiserWarrior #66 KaiserWarrior A year ago
    My thoughts are that it's irrelevant. Neither of the upgraded consoles are actually running anything at 4K. They're rendering their games at much lower resolutions and just upscaling the output to 4K. Aside from that? Eh. 4K's been doable on PC for years now, and 60fps 4K is within the realm of possibility if you're willing to drop a couple grand on a multi-GPU setup. Even with the upscaling fakery, neither the PS4 nore the Xbox upgrades are going to come anywhere close to it.

    4K itself is unnecessary. The push for 1080p already resulted in severely dumbed-down games in order to broaden their appeal to justify the insane development costs. Upping the resolution further is only going to result in more of that, and I don't look forward to it.
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  • Avatar for Frosty840 #67 Frosty840 A year ago
    I've been connecting from my PC to my TV lately because my PC chair is on its last legs.
    Even sitting up close to a 38"(?) 1080p TV, I really am not bothered enough by poor antialiasing (which, as far as I know, is the main benefit of higher resolutions) to think "Gosh, I wish I were viewing this on a higher-resolution screen!"
    I'm far more concerned with rendering artifacts (several examples spring to mind but it's Dragon Age: Inquisition I've been playing and the clipping on everything in that game is an utter farce) than I am with mere jaggies.
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  • Avatar for metal_maniac #68 metal_maniac A year ago
    @Mega_Matt I bought my Sony Bravia mainly to watch 3D movies. So far I've collected about 60 of them, but only the ones that are actually good. And man, so I ever love watching good 3D-movies like Tron, Wreck-it Ralph and Coraline...they draw me in like 2D movies were never able to do.
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  • Avatar for Roto13 #69 Roto13 A year ago
    I can't imagine owning a screen big enough for 4K to matter.
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